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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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so chris is back here

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not completely moved in yet and we don't

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want to get to the complexities of

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it's too depressing we have guest

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co-hosts joining us goggs makai

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and we have a really interesting guest

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someone chris has known for a while and

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he said this guy is just perfect for the

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i want to talk about briefly the impact

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of things that you don't expect so of

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course we are often criticized on the

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and we have a guest coming up who's run

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for public office so that's going to get

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kind of political but just bear in mind

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we're going to cover lots of basis here

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we're going to deal with it

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let's take an example of where things go

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just

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comment an offhand comment can do things

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so a few years back

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chris says something about a certain ufo

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abductee

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who had it in for certain ufo abduction

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researcher i'm not going to mention the

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name

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and he said that the adoptee was

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stalking the abduction researcher

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the person involved

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thought it was me talking not chris

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and so there was like a

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in my direction

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how dare we in the power cast accuse

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this person of stalking we're not

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mentioning names okay two weeks ago we

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had john de souza on here

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and he's into alien dimensions and

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things like that

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and there's a lot of stuff to talk about

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with regard to that subject instead i

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think this was my error or maybe chris

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said something about it too we briefly

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for like three seconds said climate

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i mean they don't stop

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just how the you know the main players

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in the forum on the climate change

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thread it just goes on and on and back

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and forth the same stuff and these

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people are never going to convince the

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other side but they keep going on that

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day and i'm just like leave it alone

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just not going there at all

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see what people forget what people

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forget is that the earth is set up uh

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naturally as a giant um

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like a heating and cooling unit as soon

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as the gulf stream

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stops and it ceases bringing warm water

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up from the equator to the arctic uh

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it's down to half speed i think it's

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it's so it is slowing down as soon as

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northern europe might as well uh

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consider itself in a new ice age because

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all that warm air norm warm water

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is no longer going up to the arctic and

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then of course the arctic will start

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and that will jump start a um

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possibly a new mini ice age

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you know for every action there is a an

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equal you know

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reaction and and the earth is designed

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like a giant thermal it's like a giant

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thermostat it's designed to cool itself

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down when it gets hot and heat itself up

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when it gets cold but at the end of the

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day what's going to happen here is e.t

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is not coming down here to rescue us

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from our own folly whatever we do to

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screw this place up

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oh yeah don't expect e.t to join us

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that's not going to happen bringing that

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into the conversation gene

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anybody that thinks that is but pardon

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the expression but ugly stupid

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anybody who thinks that e.t is going to

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come here and do anything to correct our

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human foibles or our stupid mistakes

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that we're making uh you know you might

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as well just

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commit yourself into some

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mental ward now because you you're not

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playing with a full deck

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let's just think of it this way if et

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really wanted to help us

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they would have done so already

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forgetting motives or anything else if

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they really wanted to do anything to

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improve the human condition

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they're really late

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look at the crime statistics look at

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terrorism anything you think of that's

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bad that's going on now

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et's done nothing about it et is going

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to do nothing about it

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and leave it that way maybe elon musk

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will help us get off this planet with

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spacex we'll start going to mars we'll

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start going to other planets

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elon musk will do it i don't think

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anybody else any other scientist right

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now bigelow

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is doing space stuff but elon musk seems

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to be farther ahead but the aliens are

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waiting for us to attain the correct

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frequency and then they will help us

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god i forgot i totally forgot about that

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dogs of course

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we need to see how it always comes in

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we need to we need somebody needs to

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invent a new age frequency tuning device

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that makes sure that nearby humans are

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entrained uh to a cosmic uh uh you know

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positive uh frequency that uh will then

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call out like a beacon to the to the

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galaxy for steven grier's uh benevolent

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space brothers to come down and and um

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you know have their way with us but but

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but kindly with lubrication

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oh this is a network radio show by the

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way so we have to really

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not really get involved in this slippery

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slope

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i'm not saying the seven deadly words i

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can say whatever else i want

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that's true

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okay you've got an interesting guest

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that you've lined up for this week

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is that where the id is from

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that's where where's what

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it's not here

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what are you talking about where's what

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it's like an alarm clock beeping

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no it's not on my end

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you've lined up a really interesting

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guest somebody you've known for a while

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who probably is not a household name in

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the ufo field which might be a good

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thing

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tell us about it

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you'd be surprised how many people know

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joe

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he doesn't create a cult of personality

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around himself in the field

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um he has run for office as a

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libertarian uh candidate in um i think

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it's the seventh district in in utah

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guy he's got a phd from

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a midwestern school uh is is fairly up

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to speed in the ufo subject

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and one of the reasons why he's running

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probably uh nine or ten years he

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helped moderate the citizens hearing on

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disclosure

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uh five-day event uh back in 2013 i

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think we're 2012 uh at the national

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press club in washington dc

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where um i got a chance to sit down with

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him and and talk with him for a while

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and he was he was real surprised that i

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working camera and not uh actually

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presenting something in front of the uh

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the august panel

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uh which i told him well if linda's

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there there's no in careers there's no

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way that they're gonna let me talk

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so um you know i've been um i've been

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kind of loosely keeping in touch with

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him over the years uh i ran into him at

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the utah ufo fest here a couple of weeks

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back and we had a great time talking and

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we were on a panel talking about

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disclosure and i thought i thought it'd

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uh joe on the program he's very very

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bright up to speed and this way we can

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talk about politics with a politician

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and not get to not get our heads handed

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to us uh in the forums

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he has run for public office

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but people don't bring it up

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for the power cast it should take a long

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now we have dr joseph bookman joining us

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on the show

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and he was doing what a lot of people do

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when we connect to them on skype you

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hear the noise of adjusting his headset

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so we heard that and i started joking

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about

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tin foil and i remembered

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long long time ago there was a guy in

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the ufo field kind of a contactee

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named of andy sinatra the mystic barber

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and there's a photo of him somewhere

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probably online

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where he's in front of the u.n with this

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foil hat on i guess he's attracting

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vibrations from e.t

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he was really a barber by the way

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he was really very very remotely related

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to frank sinatra

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but probably disowned a long time ago

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but when i think of propeller heads or

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tin foil

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i think of this guy way before your time

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joe

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yeah i've never heard of him never heard

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of the mystic barber no

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so what

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involved you or interested you in this

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crazy wacky field that we find ourselves

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talking about all the time

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you know i think it is the ultimate uh

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human inquiry you know are we alone in

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the cosmos it's one of the first

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principal questions uh if you'd like i

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asked myself that question too i mean

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how did i get involved in this how did i

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destroy my career in academe i have an

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earned phd from indiana university i had

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earned tenure as a professor of

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marketing

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and then down the rabbit hole i go into

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ufology and all the crazy that's

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associated with that and i go back to

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high school

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1972-1973 i was a kid

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working with holograms

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and i had built a laser out of a kit

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i ordered it out of some catalog i think

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from st louis a little ruby red laser

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and the tube was about the size slightly

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smaller than a pringles can

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and then there was a power supply under

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that about the same size and i was

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fooling around with that in holograms

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and out of that i won

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a science fair in indiana um several

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awards there were a bunch of different

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awards and one of those was from the

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united states air force and that

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included a

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free trip uh over to dayton ohio to

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visit the wright-patterson air force

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base

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uh in

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1973 or four my mom saved all this stuff

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and i just inherited the scrapbooks of

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this but i had gone up to indianapolis

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to the same

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venue that's in rocket boys you know

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where homer hickam meets

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the nasa guys up there

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and so she saved the placemat from the

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indiana aerospace awards banquet and all

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this stuff

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anyhow i went to uh right pat

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as a sophomore in high school

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and i had a friend in scouting who was

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about 10 years older than me we're still

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good friends uh who is a among other

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things a private pilot and he had said

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to me

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well joe if you're going to write pat

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you've got to ask to see the ufo in

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hangar 18 or maybe he said flying saucer

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i don't remember

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years later i got to thinking about all

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this and i have an extraordinarily clear

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memory of these two air force guys

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coming in a car

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and driving me from the louisville

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kentucky area i was in new albany

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indiana just across the river from

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louisville

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and we're headed up the interstate

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towards cincinnati and there was a

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military convoy of green covered deuce

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and a half trucks and army jeeps and

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things and a civilian car in front of us

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pulled into the middle of that convoy

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and i have a very clear memory of this

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air force guy saying

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you know that's illegal

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civilians aren't supposed to get in the

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middle of a military convoy and i said

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oh i never heard of that law

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and i wonder where this is written down

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you know there's no signs on the

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interstate how are people supposed to

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know this something like that and then i

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have no memory of the rest of that trip

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until i have a very very clear memory a

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vivid memory of of the air force officer

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on the way home

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saying do i turn um

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left to get to your house and i said

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yeah that's right

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and he said don't say that's right

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that's confusing you should say that's

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correct

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now why do i have those two vivid

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memories and nothing in between i don't

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know i don't remember most of 1974

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and it wasn't because i was doing drugs

506
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i just you know who remembers uh their

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junior year

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they must add a neuralizer joe so i tell

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this story around campfires year late

510
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:29,039
years later and i've got a friend who

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works at army intelligence and he goes

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yeah that's a sign of being chemically

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debriefed they had no sense of humor

514
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about this issue in the 70s i don't know

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i i don't think that i've had people

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like yvonne smith want to regress me and

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i've declined those invitations so far

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people hear that story and they go oh

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wow you know yeah they they probably

520
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chemically debriefed you they wanted to

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know why you were interested in

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in ufos at such a young age so many

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people joe were interested in ufos at a

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young age are we all

525
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suffering from chemically induced

526
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amnesia

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right

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i doubt that very much um i also

529
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remember seeing stuff in the national

530
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enquirer and cutting articles out and

531
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sticking them on a bullet board i had

532
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maybe even at a younger age but years

533
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later we bought an rv i i married and

534
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moved to utah i'm not lds

535
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:22,320
neither is my wife her dad was a rocket

536
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,080
scientist for hercules and they moved

537
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:26,880
here from new jersey back in the 60s

538
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and

539
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get the kids out of utah i've got tenure

540
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to college i got the summer off we'll uh

541
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we'll go explore america

542
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and um on the second trip in the summer

543
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,679
of 99 we went down to roswell so i went

544
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:42,960
through the museum it was just

545
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,039
fascinating i met glenn dennis he came

546
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:46,880
out and looked at our rv he was talking

547
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,200
about getting a smaller rv than the one

548
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:51,919
he had i met walter hott

549
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:55,520
guys seemed incredibly uh credible to me

550
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,640
i realized that summer that my friend

551
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back in the 70s

552
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had told me about wright patterson at

553
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least a year maybe two years before

554
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stan friedman interviewed jesse marcel

555
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senior so i called him up and said hey

556
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you know are you trying to get me killed

557
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what the hell how how did you know about

558
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you know roswell before

559
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before um

560
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you know the first books on it got

561
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published and he said well he had a

562
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friend

563
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who was a

564
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cfi a certified flight instructor

565
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instructor

566
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who had worked in

567
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air traffic control and was deep into

568
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this issue in the 1960s and the two of

569
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them had gone up to wright pat and tried

570
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to find anger 18.

571
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and then as my friend pete tells the

572
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story

573
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for about six months after that they

574
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were followed around by guys in dark

575
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suits and sunglasses just like

576
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stereotypical men in black

577
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and uh so that that kind of got me more

578
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interested in it by the late 90s

579
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or early 2000s i was curious about what

580
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was really going on and having gone

581
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through the roswell museum i started

582
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reading

583
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uh things about uh

584
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about uh the the whole ufo lore

585
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and um

586
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i became fascinated with it and

587
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so we had the rv then and decided to do

588
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a trip around the country and and

589
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head over to the extraterrestrial

590
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highway highway 375 in nevada

591
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and we go right up to the border of the

592
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base

593
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take the pictures with the you know use

594
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of photography prohibited deadly force

595
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authorized signs i understand they've

596
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597
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sign in the years since

598
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you came to look for america

601
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like that song

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714
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what we don't do here will do then so

715
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you take your family to look for america

716
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the great thing about having tenure as a

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college professor is having the summers

718
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off

719
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so you know whenever i turn in my final

720
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grades in late april early may i'd put a

721
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:59,279
voicemail on my office phone that said

722
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,640
you've reached the voicemail of dr

723
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,120
joseph bookman and uh i'll be back uh

724
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:05,919
you know august 23rd

725
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and just

726
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:08,720
leave that out there for two and a half

727
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months so yeah we've got the four kids

728
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,159
the youngest is like one or two and off

729
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,600
we go in this rv and we head over to

730
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,520
lehman caves in great basin national

731
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,159
park and cathedral gorge state park in

732
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,919
nevada just beautiful part of the

733
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,600
country the great basin

734
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,320
the stars at night are incredible

735
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,480
and we head up highway 375 the

736
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,720
extraterrestrial highway and

737
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,880
and then visit the little alien when joe

738
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,520
travis was still alive and uh joe and

739
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,720
pat are there

740
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:40,880
and head on over to tone upon around to

741
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,279
death valley and then disneyland and

742
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:45,120
we're headed up the california coast and

743
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,399
i said to my wife you know i'd like to

744
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,240
meet this guy that i've

745
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,200
been uh emailing on compuserve in the rv

746
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,679
forum and uh he was a retired military

747
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,120
guy

748
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,760
and she says okay cool so so we wind up

749
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,960
there

750
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,880
in his home

751
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,279
he invites us to head out to

752
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,159
a private ranch he has outside of uh

753
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,919
outside of this area in california i

754
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,520
don't want to be too specific i never

755
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,960
mentioned his name

756
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:13,440
but i go into his home and he's got a

757
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:16,320
a photograph of a poster of ronald

758
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,480
reagan from the 1950s some cowboy movie

759
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,880
holding a gun and on the poster is

760
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,760
written

761
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,080
you know dear bob or whatever this guy's

762
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:27,919
name is thanks for your service to our

763
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,240
nation always remember

764
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,919
it's not the size of the gun that

765
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,240
matters it's the size of what's inside

766
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,880
the man holding the gun thanks for your

767
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,600
service to our nation ron

768
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,440
like ron

769
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:43,200
how well did you know president reagan

770
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,480
he said well i had the opportunity to

771
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:46,000
brief the president a few times in the

772
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:47,200
oval office

773
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,559
wow so then we head off to this guy's

774
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,120
ranch and he's got oh i don't know

775
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,360
several kids and a half a dozen dozen

776
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:56,960
grandkids or more

777
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,000
and he puts on cousins camp every summer

778
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:03,840
at this uh 80 acre sized ranch uh out in

779
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,640
the hills in california and um i'm just

780
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,200
fascinated by this guy incredible fellow

781
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,960
it was on his urging that we had bought

782
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,720
the rv and taken off with the kids to

783
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:14,159
travel around the country because he had

784
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:15,200
done that

785
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,039
20 30 years before and we're just

786
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,200
sitting around talking and he's telling

787
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:21,679
me uh stories he'd been

788
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,640
at fort bliss when colombia landed at

789
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,640
white sands that one time and helped

790
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,720
with the logistics of that and yeah

791
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,640
fascinating career

792
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,880
telling these uh cold war stories you

793
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,799
know i said the cuban missile crisis was

794
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:36,799
kind of a joke because the soviets just

795
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,760
parked icbm equipped submarines under

796
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,440
six inches of water

797
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,240
after uh after kennedy backed down i'm

798
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,760
like can you talk about this stuff you

799
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:47,360
know and and they say it's all

800
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:48,799
declassified and i said well you know

801
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:50,320
and he says how's your trip i said well

802
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,520
it's great we went right up to the

803
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,760
border of area 51.

804
00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:55,760
and he says uh joe whatever you do

805
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,520
promise me you won't cross the border of

806
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,600
that base i said well it's kind of odd

807
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,600
you know it's a tourist attraction the

808
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,720
state of nevada has these

809
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:05,120
extraterrestrial highway signs up you

810
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:06,399
have people coming from europe that

811
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:08,240
don't speak english there's no guard

812
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:10,960
shack there's no gate there's no obvious

813
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,960
border there's just orange posts in the

814
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,320
middle of the desert and there's

815
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:16,159
multiple orange posts because the border

816
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,600
has changed

817
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,960
and he says yeah but you know what it

818
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,720
cost to put up a chain-link fence around

819
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:22,720
that base and i said

820
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,399
no is that something you looked into no

821
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,559
and i said they ought to put up a sign

822
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:30,159
out there that says you two invented

823
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,760
here you know someday this will be a

824
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,159
national park and he just laughed until

825
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:35,760
he was about to choke

826
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,600
uh with the idea that someday this will

827
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,360
become a national park and i'm like well

828
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,039
what part of the civil war is still

829
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,880
classified someday

830
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,480
you know the cold war will all be

831
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,720
unclassified maybe it's 100 or 200 years

832
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,960
away but yeah it'll be a national park

833
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:50,399
i mean it's not like we're reverse

834
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,760
engineering ufos out there

835
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:56,000
and boom the conversation comes to a

836
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,360
close just like a brick wall

837
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,360
i'm staring at him oh boy i remember

838
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:03,279
this like yesterday it's a vivid image

839
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,440
and he's looking at the carpet like he's

840
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,120
gonna cry

841
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:09,919
and his wife across the room is staring

842
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:12,960
at him and after what seems like a long

843
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,200
beat of time he looks up

844
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,200
and looks at our five-year-old daughter

845
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,200
at the time haley and says hayley

846
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:20,399
sweetheart

847
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,919
you want help putting that puzzle

848
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,120
together

849
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:25,840
and i'm like what just happened what was

850
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,720
this

851
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:28,159
so over the years we've had

852
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,600
conversations and email exchanges and uh

853
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,600
and he's left me highly intrigued by by

854
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,120
the issue he's never

855
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:37,840
i'm sure never violated whatever secrecy

856
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,159
agreements he may have on the issue

857
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:42,240
but a couple years later phil corso's

858
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,279
book came out the day after roswell

859
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:47,519
so i remember emailing him and saying

860
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,320
hey

861
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,760
did you know um

862
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:51,440
did you know this guy corso he says he

863
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:52,960
was at the pentagon same time you were

864
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,840
there

865
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,840
he says oh yeah yeah we knew we knew

866
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,000
phil and his wife and uh

867
00:33:01,509 --> 00:33:00,159
his wife whatever her name is and i used

868
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,519
to go out

869
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:03,440
to dinner with phil and his wife why do

870
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,480
you ask

871
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:05,919
i thought

872
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,559
ah what question do i want to ask next

873
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,799
and and the one i came up with was uh if

874
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,440
you were a librarian uh ten thousand

875
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:15,039
years from now would you be more likely

876
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,480
to put phil course's book in the

877
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,640
biography or fiction section of your

878
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,960
library and i got an email back that

879
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,880
said you know i enjoy our conversations

880
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:25,760
look forward to to many more of them

881
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,000
about rvs and the meaning of life but i

882
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,919
think it's uh best if we cease

883
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:31,919
discussion of this particular topic i

884
00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:34,559
certainly know it would be best for me

885
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:36,159
so that you know that that kind of

886
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,279
non-answer got me intrigued and uh just

887
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,159
fueled the fire of reading more and and

888
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,679
looking at more stuff i went down to the

889
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:46,240
roswell festival with our two youngest

890
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,120
kids

891
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:49,679
met jesse marcel jr

892
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,320
ed mitchell was there that year and one

893
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,799
of the things i find just

894
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,120
a fascinating coincidence if you want

895
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,960
about this whole issue is that dr

896
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,679
mitchell you know phd from mit

897
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,919
sixth man to walk on the moon

898
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,120
grew up

899
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,519
outside of roswell new mexico as a kid

900
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,760
on a hardscrabble ranch

901
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,000
i think he was the last living witness

902
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,760
by the way to the trinity test side

903
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,320
explosion he was out with his dad

904
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:18,079
as i remember this story that i think he

905
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:19,919
told on the radio in roswell that year

906
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,399
but it might have been at a at a panel

907
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,000
uh where he was out working with his dad

908
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:26,720
on the ranch in july 16 1945 and saw the

909
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:29,200
western sky light up like like a false

910
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,159
dawn

911
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,320
and wondered what the heck that was and

912
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,399
did not believe even at the age i think

913
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,240
of 14 or so

914
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:38,320
the government's explanation that a

915
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,359
weapons

916
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,200
storage unit out at white sands had

917
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:43,359
exploded so i think he was the last

918
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,639
living witness because he would you know

919
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:46,720
how many teenagers saw the trinity test

920
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:49,839
site explosion live at whatever was 5 45

921
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:53,119
in the morning on july 16th so i met dr

922
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,079
mitchell

923
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:57,040
i've been privileged enough to have been

924
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,560
briefed on the fact that the united

925
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,079
states government's tried to reverse

926
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,119
engineer non-human created technology

927
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,440
what one of the 12 guys to walk on the

928
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,800
moon is saying

929
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,240
the us government's trying to reverse

930
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:10,079
engineer non-human created technology

931
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really

932
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and um

933
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,079
out of that then i um

934
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,160
well not out of that but but at the same

935
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,960
time uh roughly i got recruited to run

936
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:22,800
as a libertarian for the united states

937
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:25,119
congress so i've been a lifelong

938
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,800
libertarian voted for ed clark in 1980

939
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:31,040
and um and i'm running for the united

940
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,400
states congress and people are saying

941
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,760
well you know what's your platform what

942
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,440
are you going to do and i thought well i

943
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,000
i think the key to to turning the

944
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,240
american political system around is for

945
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:42,160
congress to reassert its authority for

946
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,440
oversight

947
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:44,880
and the first step of that ought to be

948
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,760
to pass protection on whistleblowers let

949
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,680
people who are aware of

950
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,839
fraud and waste and criminal activity by

951
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,960
our government

952
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,680
be free of prosecution if they testify

953
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,000
to those things and let's throw in the

954
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,000
e.t issue too

955
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:01,520
anybody to sign a contract that

956
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,960
prohibits them from talking about

957
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,800
extraterrestrials

958
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,800
let's be sure that those contracts are

959
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,640
waived i mean this is the birthright of

960
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,400
every human being to know if we're alone

961
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,640
in the cosmos or not

962
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,720
so i ran on that in 2008 if you go

963
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,560
google me you'll find the park record

964
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:18,960
ran a front page article immigration

965
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:21,680
taxes and little green men

966
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,880
libertarian with a twist joe bookman is

967
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running for the united states congress

968
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,000
my kids were thrilled with that when

969
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they have me on the front page of the

970
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local paper

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you know anything you can do to get your

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kids proud of you yeah it has to be

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pretty good let's do our break okay dr

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joseph buckman talking about

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what running on the e.t platform hmm yep

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i take it here that your efforts

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joe

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to become a congressman

1079
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well

1080
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i don't see you on the list of

1081
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congressmen from

1082
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utah yeah you know here i am a

1083
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non-mormon

1084
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uh in utah uh running for the united

1085
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,960
states congress as a libertarian calling

1086
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,800
for ufo disclosure because that's all

1087
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,720
the media wants to focus on the waste

1088
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and fraud and criminal activity doesn't

1089
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,200
matter and i'm running against a mormon

1090
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whose last name is bishop you know it's

1091
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kind of an

1092
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uphill climb on that uh campaign but

1093
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yeah i had a lot of fun with it i got a

1094
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back up too i left out another another

1095
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key to the firing of my interest in this

1096
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issue

1097
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so whatever summer that they flew john

1098
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glenn on a space shuttle i think it was

1099
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august of

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98 but maybe maybe one of y'all could

1101
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google this or some listener can easily

1102
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look it up but

1103
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i got invited to houston to give a

1104
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,000
speech at a boy scout banquet i'd been

1105
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,920
active in scouting my whole life and

1106
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,240
including as an adult helped write some

1107
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,839
of the training material that was done

1108
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:44,000
at national leadership programs of the

1109
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,680
boy scouts

1110
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:47,359
all that kind of thing and somebody

1111
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:48,640
liked something i had said at the

1112
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:51,440
university at iowa state university and

1113
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,480
said yeah i want to have you come down

1114
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,200
to texas uh and speak to our group of

1115
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,839
scouts down there so off i go

1116
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,359
a friend of mine who i had met in

1117
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:01,680
scouting in 1977

1118
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,720
had earned his md and then he became a

1119
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,640
back country physician for grand canyon

1120
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,920
national park

1121
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:09,839
and then he joined the air force and his

1122
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:11,680
lifelong goal was was to become an

1123
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,480
astronaut and he hoped to fly

1124
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:17,680
on a shuttle the explosion of challenger

1125
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:20,800
kind of aged him out for getting on on

1126
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,839
orbit

1127
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:23,839
but he became chief medical officer of

1128
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,880
nasa

1129
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,720
this is a guy i do talk about great

1130
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,359
fellow roger bilica and i had known

1131
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,440
roger since i like i said i met him at a

1132
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,480
at a conference in 1977 and uh so i call

1133
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,160
him up and i said hey i'm in houston i

1134
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,480
hadn't seen him in over a decade

1135
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,400
you know i'd love to visit

1136
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,000
and he called me back and said yeah you

1137
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,960
know everything's kind of taking a break

1138
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,520
over at uh mission control in houston

1139
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,880
and he said uh

1140
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,800
what would you like to do i said well

1141
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,000
i'd like for you to get me into the room

1142
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:53,520
where all the moon rocks are i'd really

1143
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,880
like to hold a piece of the moon and he

1144
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:56,880
said yeah i can't do that

1145
00:44:02,150 --> 00:44:00,000
and i said well how about we go get in a

1146
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,160
simulator and practice some landings at

1147
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:04,319
the cape and he said he could probably

1148
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,920
do that but i might get in trouble is

1149
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,359
there anything else you want to do and i

1150
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,040
thought boy i better i better ask for

1151
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,280
something obvious so i said

1152
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:12,560
you know can i sit in the flight

1153
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:14,800
surgeon's chair in mission control he

1154
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,119
said absolutely so off we go

1155
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,000
get badged through into the houston

1156
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,640
nasa facilities go up to the building

1157
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,319
that's mission control there's a little

1158
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,480
plaque outside but i was just

1159
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,800
immediately horrified and disappointed

1160
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,319
because it looked

1161
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,720
like a college dorm it was just cinder

1162
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,400
blocks and government paint and

1163
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,560
government issued billboards and it

1164
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,280
wasn't the uh starfleet headquarters

1165
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,319
that i was expecting

1166
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,560
but we go up to i don't know if it's the

1167
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,640
second floor or some floor and and there

1168
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,079
there's mission control and there's two

1169
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:50,160
of them two identical mission controls

1170
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,079
mirror images of each other i guess uh

1171
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,240
in part for a backup and embark because

1172
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,839
at the time we had the

1173
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,520
the nasa mir

1174
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,280
thing going with the russian space

1175
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,960
station and so there was an active

1176
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:03,200
mission control going on there

1177
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,160
with uh mir it was before we had the iss

1178
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,240
up and then there's the other mission

1179
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,319
control so i go in and i get to sit in

1180
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:13,280
the capcom chair which was the job i

1181
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,240
always

1182
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,000
well as a kid i guess the job i really

1183
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,319
wanted was the voice of mission control

1184
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,760
you know

1185
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,079
but uh capcom's pretty close and then i

1186
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,400
sat in the flight surgeon's chair and i

1187
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,880
was just exceedingly grateful to roger

1188
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,560
because this was like you know my my

1189
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:29,920
childhood

1190
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,040
kid dream come true and

1191
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,800
we leave mission control and there's a

1192
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:37,200
bulletin board and it's the weekly world

1193
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:38,240
news

1194
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:39,520
with a

1195
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,880
you know cover photo of bill clinton

1196
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:45,119
meeting a space alien coming off of a

1197
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,720
shuttle

1198
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,119
and now we know that really happened

1199
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,680
yeah exactly and i so i'm glad to see

1200
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:53,599
nasa has a sense of humor about this

1201
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,480
right

1202
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,800
so we we go back to his apartment and

1203
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,880
yeah we're having this conversation and

1204
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:01,440
i tell him about the trip uh the year

1205
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,240
before of of uh going toward the border

1206
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:06,000
of area 51 and

1207
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,599
well he said to me so you know what did

1208
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,359
you think and i said well

1209
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,520
nasa looks like a bunch of antiques i'm

1210
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:13,440
sorry but you know the computers are all

1211
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,560
old and

1212
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,400
and gosh mission control looks like a

1213
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:18,560
college dorm room i guess the best toys

1214
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,920
are somewhere else you know

1215
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,359
and i said have you ever been out to

1216
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,000
area 51 he's like if i had i couldn't

1217
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:28,160
talk about it and i said well we were

1218
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,359
there and i told him the whole story i

1219
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,359
just told you about my other friend

1220
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,119
and i said you know it's kind of weird

1221
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,920
because uh i would have expected this

1222
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:37,200
other guy to have said something like

1223
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,480
well you can't believe everything you

1224
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,720
hear about ufos

1225
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,640
or whatever and instead he just stops

1226
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:44,800
talking i mean it's not like we have

1227
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:47,599
flying saucers shadowing our shuttle

1228
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,760
missions on orbit right

1229
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:54,000
and it's the same experience again it's

1230
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,319
like boom brick wall fun conversation to

1231
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,200
zero now i want to be realistic about

1232
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,040
this because we're a quarter third of

1233
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,880
the way through the show

1234
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:06,000
all right

1235
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,440
first of all

1236
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:08,720
corso

1237
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,560
is highly disputed

1238
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,800
a lot of it was edited

1239
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,160
for the final book from what the

1240
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,319
original manuscript shows and the

1241
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:21,040
manuscripts online you can check it out

1242
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,920
also it appears here that some people

1243
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,440
say this may have been all about

1244
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,880
disinformation

1245
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,880
we didn't get night vision goggles from

1246
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:31,359
reverse engineered alien technology you

1247
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:33,680
can trace that technology back to the

1248
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:36,319
30s and the germans things like that

1249
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:37,599
realism

1250
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,880
roswell

1251
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:41,280
kevin randle someone who's spent 30

1252
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,560
years investigating roswell and lately

1253
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:46,640
he's been going back to classic cases

1254
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,560
and he has a book on soccer new mexico

1255
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:49,839
coming out

1256
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,560
later this year where he looks at all

1257
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,160
the evidence

1258
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:56,960
anew possibly as a cold case

1259
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,839
and he sees what passes muster and a lot

1260
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,839
of what we believed about

1261
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,800
roswell doesn't pass muster something

1262
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,480
happened but maybe not what we think

1263
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,640
happened just want to be realistic about

1264
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,000
both okay

1265
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,599
yeah i got it i'm still answering the

1266
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,280
question of how did i get interested in

1267
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,359
this stuff

1268
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:17,920
if i left the impression that i find uh

1269
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,319
day after roswell to be biblical uh

1270
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:23,200
prophecy and historical truth um let me

1271
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,800
retract that

1272
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:26,480
uh i was listening to richard dolan the

1273
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,839
other day and he said yeah there's these

1274
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,760
kind of camps in ufology and there's the

1275
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,839
john alexander nick pope leslie keane

1276
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,280
camp and i thought well i guess that's

1277
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,720
the one i'm in

1278
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,720
i may lean a little

1279
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,400
more toward uh

1280
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,640
toward the eth

1281
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,559
than those guys do but i'm certainly not

1282
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:45,520
in the camp of the

1283
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:49,680
stephen greers palolo harris's uh

1284
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,359
total non-credible uh stuff

1285
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,760
you know uh did you really edit that out

1286
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:57,520
this isn't over the uh

1287
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:00,160
anyway yes it is it goes over real radio

1288
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,480
we're on gcn and any use of words

1289
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,440
that are within the seven deadly words

1290
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:09,839
have to go because the fcc

1291
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:12,960
is controlling 32 radio stations on

1292
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:15,200
which the show is hurt

1293
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,040
well see and i i listened to the prayer

1294
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,520
cast at my convenience online and that

1295
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,079
just uh having been someone who earned a

1296
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,880
phd in uh telecommunication which was

1297
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,359
the radio tv department of iu i

1298
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,440
apologize i should know better well no

1299
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,800
one is going to hear it don't worry

1300
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,400
about it yeah

1301
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,319
we we we like the fact that you're

1302
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,319
passionate uh

1303
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:38,800
gene constantly is scolding me for

1304
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,040
for for skirting the edge i would have

1305
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:43,760
said uh something like liquid feces

1306
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,040
coming out of bovine anuses or something

1307
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,880
but you know something we have a second

1308
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,720
show after the power cast you're gonna

1309
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,440
be on that there you go it's uncensored

1310
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,040
and the words that you can't say here

1311
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,800
ladies and gentlemen there are things he

1312
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,280
can't say here he will say on after the

1313
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,480
power cast you got to go to

1314
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,800
plus.powercast.com

1315
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,480
and sign up

1316
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,880
to hear as they say as

1317
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,240
a late

1318
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,440
newscaster once used to refer to as

1319
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:13,119
the rest

1320
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,640
of the story

1321
00:50:16,829 --> 00:50:16,079
paul harvey

1322
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:16,839
the

1323
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,680
of broadcast communications when paul

1324
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,280
harvey got their lifetime achievement

1325
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,280
award that was a lot of fun

1326
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,760
um they also had the guy who did uh in

1327
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,599
the galloping hoof beasts far over the

1328
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,839
horizon it's the lone ranger that guy

1329
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:35,599
was there

1330
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,319
um you've talked about clayton moore

1331
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:40,720
yes my god you know this is funny too by

1332
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,400
clayton moore he was the last guy to

1333
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,640
play the lone ranger yes and he did it

1334
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:47,040
on tv and some movies

1335
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,040
he was a b-movie actor he became so

1336
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,000
involved in the character he'd appear in

1337
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,160
public with either the mask which the

1338
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:58,480
original producers and owners of the

1339
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,079
rights of the lone ranger would not let

1340
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,960
him do or he'd wear dark sunglasses

1341
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,359
and this was until he was like 75 80

1342
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,559
years old and he's still coming on tv

1343
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:10,559
and he was a lone ranger that was it for

1344
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,280
him it was like william boyd became hop

1345
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,119
along cassidy this is before everybody

1346
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,920
else's time they got this character and

1347
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,319
this character was so

1348
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,480
important to them had such an impact on

1349
00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:24,640
people that's the end of their career

1350
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,400
doesn't happen to actors

1351
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,920
anymore nowadays

1352
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,240
but in those days you got really

1353
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,319
connected to a role that was it we're

1354
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:34,720
going to talk to

1355
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:37,599
joe bookman i know goggs has a question

1356
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:41,040
with gene and chris you're in

1357
00:51:55,870 --> 00:51:54,549
thank you for listening to gcn

1358
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:55,880
be sure to visit

1359
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,720
gcnlive.com today

1360
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,720
attack of the rockoids has been well

1361
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:03,040
received by critics and readers alike

1362
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,640
it's a thrill a minute story you'll

1363
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,079
never forget

1364
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,000
a former us military intelligence

1365
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,480
officer is haunted by intense dreams

1366
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,040
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

1367
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:15,359
help after a terrible battle in outer

1368
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,480
space

1369
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:18,400
but the dreams turn out to be true

1370
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,240
and thrust him into a telepathic love

1371
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:22,400
affair with a woman whose far away

1372
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:25,760
planet is intent on destroying the earth

1373
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,240
and now the gripping tale continues in

1374
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,720
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and now

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00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:18,900
here's jane steinberg

1416
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,589
we continue here dr joseph bookman

1417
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,760
telling us his life story about his

1418
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,160
voyage to look for america or to look

1419
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,599
for ufos

1420
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,000
with gogs mckay chris o'brien gene

1421
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,480
steinberg goggs you want to

1422
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:37,920
chime in there with a question before we

1423
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:38,800
go on

1424
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,720
yes hi joseph gogg's here i wanted to

1425
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,319
ask about

1426
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,000
what are your interests um extending

1427
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,720
out with the ufo field but still within

1428
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:52,480
the paranormal is there any other of

1429
00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:53,839
these other subjects that you're

1430
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,520
interested in could you tell us a bit

1431
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:57,680
about that if you are

1432
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,400
absolutely so you know i john alexander

1433
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,640
in his book ufos missed realities and

1434
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,119
conspiracies starts out with the first

1435
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,680
suns ufos are real there's non-human

1436
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,680
created technology flying in our skies

1437
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,200
there's multiple

1438
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,440
military pilot witness reports

1439
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:16,720
coincident with radar and i find that

1440
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,760
maybe the most credible paragraph by any

1441
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:21,200
researcher

1442
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,960
in the field it's certainly up there

1443
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,359
with with ed mitchell's uh

1444
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,040
testimony about what he alleges to have

1445
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,119
been briefed on but i find even more

1446
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:31,359
fascinating the last chapter in john's

1447
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,319
book

1448
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,079
where he says you know the eth

1449
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,000
hypothesis is not sufficient to cover

1450
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,480
all the data there's more going on here

1451
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,559
and you know i live only

1452
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,400
less than 200 miles west of the

1453
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,200
skinwalker ranch area and john and bob

1454
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:47,040
bigelow certainly spent a fair amount of

1455
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:48,799
time and money up there looking at what

1456
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:50,559
the heck is going on

1457
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,599
whatever it was seemed to know what the

1458
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:55,599
human beings were going to do next

1459
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:58,000
before they had even thought about it so

1460
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,839
the the connection between this and

1461
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,040
consciousness in the broader field of

1462
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:05,119
phenomenology is is really what

1463
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,480
fascinates me

1464
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:08,720
uh who are we why are we here what's the

1465
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:11,520
nature of the universe are we alone

1466
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:13,839
is there biological life that's ahead of

1467
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,920
us that built technology that got it

1468
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:17,119
here

1469
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:21,040
possible to travel with

1470
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,920
thought

1471
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:24,000
uh through time and space

1472
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:26,559
i don't know but but i find all that not

1473
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,680
only scientifically interesting but

1474
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:31,680
extending out into the field of religion

1475
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,280
you know the study of

1476
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,599
of what reconnects us to who we really

1477
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,760
are that's the etymology of religion it

1478
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,280
comes from the same root as ligament

1479
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,000
connection reconnecting i was thinking

1480
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,400
of something today um that i hadn't

1481
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,799
thought of for a while you know the old

1482
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,880
old saying when they say you know if a

1483
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,119
tree falls over in a forest and no one's

1484
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,520
around does it make a sound you know i

1485
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:56,480
was kind of thinking turning that round

1486
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:57,440
thinking

1487
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,559
i'll bet that all these kind of uh ufo

1488
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:03,280
landing events let's say close encounter

1489
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,240
fours or something in which you know

1490
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,119
somebody stumbles across a a landed

1491
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,680
saucer and there's little guys going

1492
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,440
around and they're collecting rocks or

1493
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,200
making pancakes with somebody or

1494
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:18,319
whatever strange stuff and i i have to

1495
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:19,839
think that

1496
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,599
that is always for someone's benefit if

1497
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:25,040
such things are happening i don't

1498
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,559
believe they're happening when they

1499
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,400
don't have an audience you know like in

1500
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,640
the middle of siberia nowhere there's no

1501
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,640
you know reindeer herdsmen around or

1502
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,720
anything i don't believe these same

1503
00:57:38,309 --> 00:57:36,640
things are happening i think they're

1504
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:38,319
always happening

1505
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,440
for an audience and for a purpose which

1506
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,680
you know we can't kind of work out but

1507
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,359
what do you think about that that it's

1508
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,000
always for a human audience or let's say

1509
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,160
a conscious audience

1510
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,440
i have no idea maybe the entire cosmos

1511
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:55,440
is designed for that in quantum

1512
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:57,359
mechanics they talk about reality not

1513
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,400
existing until it's observed

1514
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,079
that would be the macro

1515
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,720
hypothesis expressing that point of view

1516
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:06,640
i don't know you know unlike some people

1517
00:58:12,390 --> 00:58:10,000
who run around charging fees and

1518
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:12,400
selling their books and seminars

1519
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,240
they don't say i don't know very often i

1520
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,480
find those people not to be so credible

1521
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:18,240
i don't have a clue what's really going

1522
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:20,559
on i i am however

1523
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,920
fascinated by it to go back to my uh

1524
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:25,839
my friend in that apartment in in

1525
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,920
houston where again we had the breck

1526
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,480
wall of of talking about this subject he

1527
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,319
looks at me i just said so it's not like

1528
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:34,240
we have flying saucers

1529
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:36,319
shadowing our shuttle missions on orbit

1530
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,839
right

1531
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:39,599
and and he just stops and he says you

1532
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,559
know

1533
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,960
joe before i answer that question

1534
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,359
i've got three questions for you

1535
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,200
and by the way on the way home from this

1536
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:49,440
on the flight home i made notes i didn't

1537
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,720
have a tape recorder with me but i

1538
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,880
wanted to get this down and not have my

1539
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,200
memory misremember this

1540
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,280
but but i remember very clearly and i

1541
00:59:02,390 --> 00:58:59,599
made contemporaries notes at the time to

1542
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,400
memorialize it he says

1543
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,480
joe do you think i've ever lied to you

1544
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:06,960
i said no roger i mean both eagle scouts

1545
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:08,960
and grew up together no i would i would

1546
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:10,400
never imagine that you would lie to me

1547
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,599
says do you think there's anything

1548
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:13,440
anybody could ever do

1549
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:16,000
to cause me to lie to someone else

1550
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:17,920
and i said no i mean i knew he's active

1551
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,079
in his church he looks at human life as

1552
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,160
a testing ground for a greater spiritual

1553
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:24,160
life to come that kind of orientation no

1554
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:25,760
i don't think he'd lie

1555
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,559
why roger and he says uh third question

1556
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,640
where would you like to go to lunch

1557
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,319
and i said i'd like to go to the chinese

1558
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:34,240
place and and the right stuff where all

1559
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,160
the astronauts hang out he goes oh that

1560
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:37,839
closed years ago

1561
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,520
but i'll take you out to lunch where we

1562
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,520
might meet an astronaut so we go out to

1563
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:43,839
lunch and didn't wind up seeing any

1564
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,160
astronauts in that restaurant that day

1565
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,720
but over lunch he says joe

1566
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,240
you know there's some things i would

1567
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:51,920
love to talk about that i think are

1568
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,240
really important things i'd even like to

1569
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,559
share with my own wife but if i were to

1570
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:57,839
do so

1571
01:00:02,549 --> 01:00:00,480
they would find out i would go to a

1572
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:02,559
place worse than the leavenworth she

1573
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,240
would lose the health care and the

1574
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:06,000
retirement benefits that i have worked

1575
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:07,280
to earn

1576
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,960
so please don't ever ask me this

1577
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:10,319
question again

1578
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,280
wow

1579
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,200
so that's what fueled when i'm running

1580
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:15,040
for congress then as a libertarian

1581
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,240
saying

1582
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,160
let's get congress to protect

1583
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:20,799
whistleblowers and pass legislation

1584
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:22,960
eliminating whatever contracts people

1585
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,040
have signed that would get in their way

1586
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,440
of openly testifying about waste and

1587
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:29,119
fraud and criminal activity in our

1588
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,160
government

1589
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,880
and the et issue if somebody signed a

1590
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,359
contract somewhere in that world of

1591
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:37,200
military contractors or government

1592
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:38,799
employees that prohibits them from

1593
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:40,720
talking about knowledge that we're not

1594
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,720
alone in the universe let's have the

1595
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:44,720
united states congress pass legislation

1596
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,520
to wipe out those agreements i assume by

1597
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,280
the way in that the congress has the

1598
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,520
authority to do that i'm not even sure

1599
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,000
that's the case i think these people may

1600
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:56,480
see those contracts as being something

1601
01:01:02,630 --> 01:00:59,200
extra constitutional which if that's the

1602
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:02,640
case then is is really fascinating but

1603
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:05,280
i'm just left kind of

1604
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:07,200
curious about these two people i've

1605
01:01:10,710 --> 01:01:08,079
known

1606
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,720
who will not talk about this issue uh

1607
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:13,280
claiming that uh that you know part of

1608
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:14,319
their uh

1609
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,720
employment history uh prevents them from

1610
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,960
talking about it openly why would that

1611
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,920
be

1612
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,839
let's talk about how

1613
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,400
over here in the uk there is something

1614
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,040
in our house of parliament called a

1615
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:29,359
private member's bill and that's

1616
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,799
basically where

1617
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,559
a single

1618
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:34,559
political representative a member of

1619
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:36,960
parliament here um

1620
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:40,880
creates and puts proposes put forward uh

1621
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:43,359
a bill for some kind of new law and

1622
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:46,400
usually it's kind of kind of quirky

1623
01:01:53,109 --> 01:01:49,280
uh not mainstream party

1624
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:53,119
manifesto stuff but anyway there is a a

1625
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:56,559
mechanism for a single representative to

1626
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:58,640
put forward and these things

1627
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:02,079
do sometimes get through get passed and

1628
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:03,680
made into law

1629
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,240
is there an equivalent in the american

1630
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,079
political system where

1631
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:10,559
one representative can put forward a

1632
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:13,839
proposal for law and it may go through

1633
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:16,559
no and there's not uh what there is

1634
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,799
however is what mike revell said at the

1635
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,400
citizens hearing

1636
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:22,160
and by the way i'm the guy that got mike

1637
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:23,839
gravel there if we want to talk about

1638
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,960
the pre-history of the citizens hearing

1639
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,119
i'm just shaking my head and kind of my

1640
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,920
own uh disbelief and wonder at

1641
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,319
what i imagine saying about all that but

1642
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,119
grivel said at the citizens hearing to

1643
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:39,119
nick pope

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and

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nobody's going to come after you for

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violating those those oaths that you say

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you've given

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and the greater oath is to preserve

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protect and defend the constitution of

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the united states of america so if

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you're serving in the united states

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military or have served in the past

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and you have in any way given enough an

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officer in the in the armed services of

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the united states

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a uh an agreement that violates your

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primary commitment to the constitution

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that's that word i used again earlier

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and uh don't worry about that

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you know

1661
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,280
preserve protect and defend the

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constitution you're free to talk about

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this stuff

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and he's saying this as a former united

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states senator who did that very thing

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in reading the pentagon papers into the

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congressional record under the buildings

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and grounds committee that he chaired of

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the united states senate and that

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stopped the

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nixon administration from pursuing legal

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action against the new york times and

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others we've got more to come

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with joe bookman and gene and chris and

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this is the kind of guest i like whether

1784
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,839
we agree with him or not

1785
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,199
you say joe

1786
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:29,440
answer this question and you just

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01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:30,640
sit back

1788
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:31,759
hang out

1789
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:35,040
relax and enjoy go ahead um what was the

1790
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,630
you know let's leap ahead i run for

1791
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:44,480
congress i write steve bassett he's

1792
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,880
doing these x conferences in washington

1793
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:48,080
dc

1794
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,520
and i said hey you know i'm a poor

1795
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,440
college professor i'm on a budget but i

1796
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,359
i saw your conference i'd like to come

1797
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,799
i'm on the ballot he said really you're

1798
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,960
on the ballot let me call you back

1799
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,640
so i guess he goes and googles me and he

1800
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:00,560
calls me back and he says joe you're the

1801
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:04,000
third guy this is in 2008. third guy to

1802
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:05,759
run for federal office and call for

1803
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:08,159
disclosure the first was james earl

1804
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,199
carter

1805
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:11,120
when he promised to open the ufo files

1806
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,000
when he was running for president 1976.

1807
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:16,159
second was one stephen bassett when he

1808
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:19,040
ran for congress in washington d.c

1809
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:20,640
i've forgotten the year but it was the

1810
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:22,960
year they had those shooters that were

1811
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,199
firing a rifle out of the trunk of a car

1812
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,799
through the license plate and killing

1813
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:28,960
people around dc which was a little

1814
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:30,880
distracting for that campaign and then

1815
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,560
there's me and he says if you want to

1816
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:34,480
come to the x ex-conference i can't pay

1817
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,000
your travel but come on out i'll give

1818
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,679
you a vip pass

1819
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:39,759
so off i go to gaithersburg and that's

1820
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:42,640
where i first met colonel alexander

1821
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,799
i saw ed mitchell again who i had met

1822
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:46,799
years earlier in roswell

1823
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:49,359
and you know then crazy people uh like

1824
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,440
alfred weber were there

1825
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,279
at the other extreme

1826
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:55,679
i loved it it was fascinating you know i

1827
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:58,159
got a little bit of time there and in

1828
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,920
the time i had

1829
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:01,920
again i'm running as a libertarian i

1830
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,199
said to the

1831
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:05,280
couple hundred people there

1832
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:08,159
including john paul hellyer was there

1833
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:09,520
i said you know

1834
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:11,840
the one thing i'm confident of

1835
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:14,320
there are no democrats and there are no

1836
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:15,760
republicans

1837
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:18,719
anywhere in the entire cosmos except for

1838
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,199
on this one backward planet

1839
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:23,280
but if they are here they're using

1840
01:10:28,470 --> 01:10:26,159
pretty advanced technology to get here

1841
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,480
just like carl sagan said to senator

1842
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:30,960
proxmeyer in the argument for keeping

1843
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:32,880
study funding going

1844
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,640
you know maybe there's this great wall

1845
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,320
that every technologically advanced

1846
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,159
civilization hits

1847
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,400
where they just blow themselves up which

1848
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,920
is one of the answers to the fermi

1849
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,199
paradox

1850
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:44,960
so if we're doing seti it can tell us

1851
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:47,760
about our own future so i say to the x

1852
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:49,040
conference so if they are here they're

1853
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:49,920
using

1854
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,520
high tech to get here they haven't used

1855
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,199
it to blow themselves up it means they

1856
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,280
have the non-initiation of aggression

1857
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:57,679
paradigm as a core principle

1858
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,400
that means they're libertarians so while

1859
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,400
there's no democrats no republicans

1860
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,880
anywhere in the cosmos if they're here

1861
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,400
the universe is teaming with

1862
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:08,400
libertarians and i'm looking forward to

1863
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:10,320
meeting them and so that got me a nice

1864
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:12,239
laugh and a little bit of attention at

1865
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:14,000
the x conference

1866
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:16,000
and out of that i became grateful to

1867
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,650
steve bassett i mean steve's

1868
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,239
[Music]

1869
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,640
that kind of says it all doesn't it

1870
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:24,960
the character in fiction who most

1871
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:27,440
reminds me of steve bassett as don

1872
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,719
quixote

1873
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,400
tilting at some

1874
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,640
self-created windmills

1875
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,560
totally lost in the purity of that

1876
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:37,440
battle and noble in that sense i mean

1877
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,120
this is a guy who at least in the field

1878
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:41,120
of ufology unlike some others who i

1879
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,800
mentioned earlier

1880
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:45,040
and my experience of him is not doing it

1881
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:46,800
for his personal wealth or

1882
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:49,280
aggrandizement or lifestyle

1883
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,600
he's just thrown himself 100 percent

1884
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,360
into the conviction that somebody knows

1885
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,360
something that he can bang on their door

1886
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:57,520
long enough and they'll admit it and i

1887
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,239
feel like sancho ponza sometimes to to

1888
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,320
his don quixote character

1889
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,560
uh and i i can admire that

1890
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,880
and i you know and he also listens to me

1891
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:08,960
and we've had some intense conversations

1892
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,640
where i've given him

1893
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:12,800
harsh feedback about what's not working

1894
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,640
and and what he does

1895
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:16,159
but then they come to the citizens

1896
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:18,080
hearing and so i want to talk about that

1897
01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:19,280
if we have time i don't know if we're on

1898
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,920
the verge of a break or not or actually

1899
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,280
no we're about halfway through this

1900
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,440
segment so why don't we start this uh

1901
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,360
just to back up a little bit our

1902
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:29,040
listeners will know when the citizen's

1903
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,760
hearing on disclosure was occurring

1904
01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,080
chris gave us reports he was a camera

1905
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:36,080
person there we don't say cameraman

1906
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,000
anymore a camera person

1907
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:40,719
or camera creature there and so we had

1908
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:44,000
some on-site information about that

1909
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,600
so yeah

1910
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,560
it's good to have heard chris's point of

1911
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:50,800
view now i'd like to hear your point of

1912
01:12:55,110 --> 01:12:53,840
view you got sucked into this thing

1913
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,120
sounds oh i

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01:12:58,950 --> 01:12:57,280
i loved it i you know chris is on the

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01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:58,960
back wall i'm on the front wall on the

1916
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,679
podium merrill cook's just to my left

1917
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:03,679
i served as the moderator for the system

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01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,719
hearing

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01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,440
but before that i i've been credited by

1920
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:09,280
bassett including in the testimony he

1921
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:11,679
gave during the hearing for for saving

1922
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,400
it

1923
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,159
for which i'll apologize to the

1924
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,719
listeners paragraphs

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01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,560
you know

1926
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:20,239
like everything associated with with

1927
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,080
steve i have mixed feelings and they

1928
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:24,640
range from unreserved admiration to just

1929
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:26,719
befuddled

1930
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frustration and exhaustion and um

1931
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,840
disappointment

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01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:33,840
how that came about after the x

1933
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:36,080
conferences and i went to two of them i

1934
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:37,199
think

1935
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,280
back there i didn't go to the last one

1936
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:41,440
maybe i didn't go to the last two

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01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,159
but then steve moved to la

1938
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:46,880
and he met up with reuben langdon

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01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,199
and uh reuben had had uh some sort of

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01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:51,440
encounter experience and he found steve

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01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:53,840
credible and wanted to support steve and

1942
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,840
and he did that by giving him basically

1943
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,159
free housing in culver city

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01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:00,560
i'm a big fan of the magic castle in

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01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,520
hollywood i i belong to an amateur

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magician's association i

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i'm a magician if the qualification for

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magician is spending a lot of money to

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buy a lot of stuff to see how things are

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01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:13,760
really done and then never practicing

1951
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,560
and performing i'm that kind of magician

1952
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,080
but i do love going to hollywood and

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01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:19,920
visiting the magic castle which is the

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01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:21,600
world's premier

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01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,480
venue for especially close-up magic

1956
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:26,560
so whenever i'd get to las vegas for a

1957
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,960
conference or i'd go down there

1958
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:30,800
sometimes for magicians conferences or i

1959
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,920
go every year to the national

1960
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,520
association of broadcasters and the

1961
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,920
consumer electronics show i'd usually go

1962
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:37,280
ahead and drive the extra four hours

1963
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,800
down to hollywood

1964
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,640
and i'd call up steve or other friends

1965
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and take them to the magic castle

1966
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,840
and

1967
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,000
spend time with steve there as he's you

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01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:48,480
know literally sleeping on a couch

1969
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,000
getting online doing the paradigm

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01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,400
research group emails and whatever and

1971
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:54,080
he puts together a pretty interesting

1972
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,120
group

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01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,840
of uh hollywood people that are

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01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,159
interested in phenomenology in the et

1975
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:02,960
issue and they have a monthly meetup and

1976
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:05,199
and you know that's where i met

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01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:06,719
whitley strieber

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01:15:11,030 --> 01:15:08,960
armadi kalika i think i'm pronouncing

1979
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:11,040
his name right who was the the director

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01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,800
of uh the steven grier's serious movie

1981
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,560
uh and others and so i'd try to get down

1982
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,480
there for the et media meetup group that

1983
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,120
he would have in reuben studios

1984
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:23,040
and um

1985
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:24,880
and i'd always fill his car with gas and

1986
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:29,830
and uh

1987
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:33,199
and so steve calls me one day and

1988
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,760
in november of uh 2012 and he says joe

1989
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:40,000
got a million dollars worth of funding

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01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,719
wow miracles happen

1991
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and he says i'm going to i'm going to

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pull off the citizens hearing

1993
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:48,560
idea that we've had for years

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and

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01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:51,360
i just want to give you a heads up about

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01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,640
it and so he did and so

1997
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:56,560
uh so they decided to come to the

1998
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:59,199
sundance film festival and i live up in

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park city at the time and been a

2000
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:03,920
volunteer for sundance for over a decade

2001
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:06,480
love the sundance film festival met buzz

2002
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:08,480
aldrin at the sundance film festival by

2003
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the way and then

2004
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:12,000
to go down another tangent sundance

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turned me into a cartoon if you go

2006
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,679
google

2007
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,080
bookman or buckman it's pronounced both

2008
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:20,480
ways by the way gene either one's fine

2009
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,719
uh i grew up buckman now i'm a bookman

2010
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but my grandparents were bookman it's a

2011
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long story but my dad was always a

2012
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buckman anyhow if you google buckman and

2013
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sundance you'll turn up a youtube video

2014
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of me telling the story about meeting

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buzz aldrin let's go into that

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and more in our next segment with gene

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[Applause]

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so here i want to say i don't think gog

2134
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sounds quite like david tennant with his

2135
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native accent but it's not dissimilar no

2136
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he's from a different part he's quite

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different actually

2138
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the fact that he allows it though you

2139
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know he was the first doctor who to

2140
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speak that way right

2141
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well i think so but there was that guy

2142
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after

2143
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many people don't know is scottish is

2144
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short guy dark hair this would have been

2145
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the mid-early 80s i forget his name

2146
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michael b

2147
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this is funny by the way just a quick

2148
01:22:02,470 --> 01:21:59,520
thing about david tennant and then we'll

2149
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go back to mr buckman and bookman

2150
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:05,040
david tennant is married to a woman who

2151
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,639
is the daughter of peter davison who was

2152
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,520
another doctor who so remember david

2153
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:13,840
tennant grew up three or four years old

2154
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he wanted to be doctor who he grows up

2155
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to become doctor who then marries the

2156
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,040
daughter of another doctor who

2157
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and make things even crazier the guy who

2158
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:24,960
plays alfred

2159
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on gotham the batman prequel

2160
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:28,960
is the son

2161
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of a doctor who

2162
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,360
let's go on joe not about doctor who

2163
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:35,920
uh mr what

2164
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,159
so steve is i'm excited for stephen this

2165
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:40,560
is amazing tom clearwater this canadian

2166
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:41,920
comes up with a million one hundred

2167
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:44,000
thousand dollars gives it to steve

2168
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,040
bassett

2169
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and nicely done by the way he had also

2170
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funded uh

2171
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,400
the other steve steven greer

2172
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,080
and this was money that could have gone

2173
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:54,480
uh there instead and so i was certainly

2174
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:56,480
a fan of it ever coming to mr bassett

2175
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:58,320
over dr greer

2176
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:59,360
um

2177
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:00,960
imagine this money was used for

2178
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:03,199
something that really would accomplish

2179
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something

2180
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:06,880
i don't talk about move fun either

2181
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:07,600
yeah

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01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:09,040
something that would accomplish

2183
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:10,560
something meaningful

2184
01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,880
i'd love to see chris get his super

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01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:15,040
camera system up there around the the

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01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,960
mysterious valley

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01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:18,880
that kind of camera tracking and other

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01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:21,120
equipment pointing skyward would

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01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:23,120
probably be a good thing this seemed

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01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:24,880
like a good thing at the time i mean you

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01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,360
know to do a faux hearing with retired

2192
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:29,040
members of congress get the best

2193
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,080
witnesses out there i mean the concept

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01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:35,679
as designed uh it was brilliant what was

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01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,719
missing

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01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:38,800
was a full vetting of

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01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:40,560
some of the witnesses

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01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:42,080
hallelujah

2199
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:44,719
yeah i mean and that and

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01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,320
you know that was part of the early

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01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:49,199
design i was in those conversations in

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01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,600
the late 2012 early 2013 uh time frame

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01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:55,679
so one of the things they look at doing

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01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:58,400
is uh coming to the sundance

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01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:00,080
film festival not as part of the

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01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,280
official program but coincident with it

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01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,199
which a lot of people do there's a lot

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01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:07,440
of stuff that shows up in park city

2209
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:08,560
that's not

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01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,639
part of the festival itself

2211
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:12,560
but becomes associated with it including

2212
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:15,120
dr greer who had been here i believe the

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01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,040
year before or perhaps two years before

2214
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,440
with chris christaselli who had put on

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01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,199
his uh 3d

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01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:23,760
virtual reality venue

2217
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,920
you know in a private spot again not a

2218
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,600
part of the official sundance program

2219
01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:29,600
but part of the overall party that goes

2220
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:32,800
on so um stephen rubin

2221
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:35,280
and jeremy corbell come to that and

2222
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:38,400
schedule a press briefing at a at a

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01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,679
hotel in park city to announce that the

2224
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:43,760
documentary truth embargo is being

2225
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:46,400
produced it's fully funded that turns

2226
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:48,639
out not to be the case later

2227
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:52,159
uh and that this hearing will also occur

2228
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,760
uh truth embargo is going to be more

2229
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:55,360
than just the documentary of the hearing

2230
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:57,360
it's going to follow the historian dolan

2231
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,159
the activist bassett the researcher or

2232
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:02,960
journalist uh lenamon hal

2233
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,360
and tell their stories and you know

2234
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,440
jeremy corbell is there weaving this

2235
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:09,040
fanciful tale of

2236
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:11,120
of how beautiful this documentary will

2237
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:13,920
be ed mitchell's there on skype

2238
01:25:17,350 --> 01:25:15,679
answering questions from reporters the

2239
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:17,360
room's pretty well filled

2240
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:18,880
and it's kind of exciting and they

2241
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:20,719
rented a house a

2242
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:23,840
big home in park city for a month

2243
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,679
and they're hosting parties out there

2244
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:27,920
and networking through sundance and and

2245
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:30,560
it's just uh fantastic so i'm hanging

2246
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,600
out with steve i have them over to the

2247
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:33,600
house and i said so you know who all of

2248
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:36,159
you got on the committee

2249
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:39,040
this is late january early february 2013

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01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:40,719
they're gonna do this

2251
01:25:47,669 --> 01:25:46,149
and he says well i haven't got anyone on

2252
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:47,679
the on the committee yet i haven't

2253
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:50,880
invited anyone and i remember screaming

2254
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:53,600
what which is my dr what comment from a

2255
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:55,440
moment ago what are you talking about

2256
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,560
you don't have

2257
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:58,400
i said these guys may be retired but

2258
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:59,760
it's not like they don't have full

2259
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:02,080
calendars this thing's like eight nine

2260
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:03,360
weeks away

2261
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,480
and i i literally blew a cork and and

2262
01:26:10,229 --> 01:26:08,080
followed him from that moment until he

2263
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,239
printed out 50 invitations

2264
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,719
printed up the envelopes we put stamps

2265
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,880
on them i drove him to the post office

2266
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,400
and made him mail

2267
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,400
50 invitations to former members of

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01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,320
congress before

2269
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,320
before he left town this was now after

2270
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,719
sundance was over uh probably in the

2271
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:26,639
second week of february

2272
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:29,199
and he said well you know joe before we

2273
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,719
invite members of congress we got to

2274
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,800
have you know the witnesses identified

2275
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:34,560
we got to have the venue set we got to

2276
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:35,840
have a website up that looks

2277
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,760
professional so these guys know that uh

2278
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:42,239
that we're not just a fly-by-night thing

2279
01:26:45,669 --> 01:26:44,239
and yeah i'm somewhat sympathetic to

2280
01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:45,679
that it's only been from november to

2281
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,840
february to get all that up and you know

2282
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:49,360
witnesses were reluctant they didn't

2283
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:50,560
know who the members of congress were

2284
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,920
going to be it's kind of like a chicken

2285
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:52,880
and egg

2286
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,159
problem

2287
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:56,480
so in march i get a phone call from mr

2288
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,840
bassett and he says uh it's over

2289
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,280
everything's over

2290
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:04,320
gotta refund tom clearwater's money

2291
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:05,360
we're not going to have a citizen

2292
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:07,520
searing only one person out of the 50

2293
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:09,360
invitations wrote me back

2294
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:11,600
and she's ready to bail

2295
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:13,120
and she won't let me announce her name

2296
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:14,719
until i get two more people i got to

2297
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:16,239
have at least three

2298
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:18,719
and it's a dead end um

2299
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:19,679
we're just going to have to call the

2300
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:21,760
whole thing off

2301
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:23,280
and then prior to that by the way he

2302
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,960
said he was going to turn me into a star

2303
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:26,080
i was going to be part of the truth

2304
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:28,960
embargo documentary longtime supporter

2305
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:31,360
i'm going to be the uh i'm going to be

2306
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:34,320
the expert on the committee hearing

2307
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,639
uh a staff member-like person who's also

2308
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:38,400
going to be asking questions of of the

2309
01:27:42,070 --> 01:27:39,600
witnesses

2310
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:42,080
uh during the hearings and and all of

2311
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:43,679
this

2312
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,520
and i said steve you know

2313
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,239
give me 48 hours don't don't call tom

2314
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:50,480
clearwater give me 48 hours i'll see if

2315
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:52,000
i can't stir up a couple of members of

2316
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,520
congress for you

2317
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:55,199
and i really have no idea how i'm going

2318
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:58,639
to do that but in 2008

2319
01:28:02,229 --> 01:28:00,800
five years earlier i had been in denver

2320
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,239
for the libertarian presidential

2321
01:28:05,910 --> 01:28:03,920
nominating convention

2322
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:05,920
the year we wound up nominating former

2323
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:09,280
united states congressman bob barr

2324
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,639
what a disaster that was but

2325
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:14,639
but bob ran as the libertarian nominee

2326
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,840
in 2008 and senator mike gravel

2327
01:28:22,149 --> 01:28:19,920
had tried to get that nomination and did

2328
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:22,159
not but i had become friends with mike i

2329
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,920
had bought his book before that

2330
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:26,000
conference wanted to get it autographed

2331
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:27,760
i'm a fan of microville he was a

2332
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,560
whistleblower he he protected the the

2333
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:32,080
new york times against the nixon

2334
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:34,400
administration over the pentagon papers

2335
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,520
uh he was an advocate for ending draft

2336
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,360
uh this is an american hero i'm not

2337
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:41,440
gonna miss the chance to meet mike

2338
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,719
uh and and just a terrific follow

2339
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:46,560
um and the other one i called up was

2340
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:48,880
merrill cook a congressman from from

2341
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:51,120
utah i got meryl first

2342
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:52,639
and his son

2343
01:28:58,470 --> 01:28:55,360
meryl cook's son had won an award from

2344
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:58,480
the jet propulsion laboratory

2345
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,080
a nasa award

2346
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,800
and and merrill had served on the the

2347
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:04,560
space and science and technology

2348
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:06,239
committees during his two terms in

2349
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:07,280
congress

2350
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:09,520
so meryl said yeah i'd love to do it and

2351
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:10,480
um

2352
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:11,840
and then i got hold of mike revell and

2353
01:29:16,149 --> 01:29:13,360
mike said yeah i'd love to do it but

2354
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,159
i've got a vacation on the danube

2355
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:18,239
that same week so gosh darn it i can't

2356
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:20,960
do it i said well you realize uh

2357
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:22,239
steve had already talked to him and

2358
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:23,360
stephen said oh yeah i got hold of

2359
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:25,760
gravel gravel can't do it i said what so

2360
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:27,199
i call mike back he says yeah i told

2361
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:28,560
bass that i couldn't do it i said did

2362
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:30,000
steve tell you they're paying twenty

2363
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:31,360
thousand dollars

2364
01:29:36,390 --> 01:29:33,600
and he said no steve never mentioned

2365
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,400
that and i thought what an idiot i just

2366
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:38,480
remember thinking this i said well call

2367
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:40,400
steve back and tell him you'll do it for

2368
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:42,639
20 grand plus whatever it's going to

2369
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,280
cost you to to reschedule your vacation

2370
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,880
they'll probably cover those costs i'm

2371
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,239
thinking an extra couple of thousand

2372
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:50,239
dollars what the heck

2373
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,440
so uh so he so mike calls steve uh back

2374
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:55,440
up and says yeah he'll do it if they can

2375
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,280
give him the money plus plus whatever

2376
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,280
expenses he has for rearranging his

2377
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:02,000
schedule at the last minute you know to

2378
01:30:05,910 --> 01:30:03,760
do this thing so now we got mike revell

2379
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:05,920
merrill cook and carolyn kilpatrick god

2380
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:08,320
bless her comes out from the shadows and

2381
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:10,000
is the third member of the committee

2382
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,000
we've kept her from bailing at the last

2383
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:13,920
minute and then everybody wants to be on

2384
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,560
the committee once we got mike gravel

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01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:18,080
the invitations to other members of

2386
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:20,800
congress suddenly have the gravitas that

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01:30:24,070 --> 01:30:21,840
takes them

2388
01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:24,080
to look at it seriously long and short

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01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,560
of it is he gives it credibility we'll

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01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:28,400
talk more about the genesis of the

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01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:30,960
citizens hearing on disclosure despite

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01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:34,080
the presence of steve bassett

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01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:35,440
with gene

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01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:36,320
chris

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01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,560
joe and goggs are too many people here i

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can't keep up with them you're in the

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hey this is marie d jones the author of

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this book is from the future

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and you are listening to the paracast

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okay so this is gelling now

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former u.s senator gets involved

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01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:30,719
and suddenly it starts taking on

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credibility what interests me very

2508
01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:34,560
briefly

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01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:37,120
joe is the fact that they take twenty

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01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:38,800
thousand dollars because you have

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stories here about former

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candidates or members of congress

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01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,000
getting two hundred thousand dollars

2514
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:48,719
this sounds like kind of lowballing it

2515
01:35:51,990 --> 01:35:49,840
don't you think

2516
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:52,000
absolutely originally they were offering

2517
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:54,239
10. carolyn had agreed to do it for 10

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01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:56,639
grand for the week plus expenses for her

2519
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:58,080
and a spouse

2520
01:36:01,910 --> 01:35:59,600
the real amount of money spent per

2521
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:01,920
congressman was probably closer to 25

2522
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:03,679
000 or more with the hotel the air

2523
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:04,639
travel

2524
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:07,360
two people i had at first reached out to

2525
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,520
a friend of mine in scouting former

2526
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:11,360
congressman ed pease

2527
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:13,920
out of indiana and i called ed and told

2528
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:15,840
him what i was working on

2529
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,679
he would have loved to have done it but

2530
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:19,760
he was working for a company that would

2531
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:21,280
not give him permission to do things

2532
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:22,400
like that

2533
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:24,400
and it was ed who said look 10 grand is

2534
01:36:27,430 --> 01:36:25,760
not going to get anybody's attention

2535
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:27,440
you're talking about you know a 40-hour

2536
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:29,280
work week you're asking them to do prep

2537
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:31,360
work in advance of the hearings by the

2538
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:33,440
way steve's original design

2539
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:36,400
was to have all 43 witnesses

2540
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:40,080
uh submit their testimony in writing and

2541
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:41,679
have that vetted before the hearings

2542
01:36:45,990 --> 01:36:44,159
occurred and get all of the testimony in

2543
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:46,000
writing to all members of the committee

2544
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:47,360
to review

2545
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:49,360
more than a month in advance

2546
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:51,520
you'll note carolyn kilpatrick mentioned

2547
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:53,920
that during the hearings and chastised

2548
01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:56,159
people like dr greer for not getting

2549
01:37:01,510 --> 01:36:58,800
their written testimony in early

2550
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:01,520
and others did nick pope was pristine

2551
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,159
for example on that nick's awesome

2552
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:06,400
so we're gathering uh you know witness

2553
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,760
testimony we're putting the committee

2554
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:09,679
together it's now

2555
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,560
late february early march or mid-march

2556
01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:13,920
by the time this stuff is happening so

2557
01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,119
it was mid-march when he called me and

2558
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:17,199
said he's going to refund money to tom

2559
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,080
clearwater and then we within two days i

2560
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:22,400
come up with gravel and cook and kill

2561
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:24,320
patrick and then reuben credit to me

2562
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,760
with saving it they were ready to pull

2563
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:27,199
the plug on it

2564
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:28,480
by the way i want to go down a little

2565
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:30,159
bit of a tangent here

2566
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:32,400
you know some have said that steve

2567
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:34,560
bassett bankrupted just cause

2568
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,119
productions and put him out of business

2569
01:37:42,149 --> 01:37:39,760
and there's this acrimony between steve

2570
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,159
and reuben and jeremy now i was around

2571
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:43,920
in the early days of that reuben was

2572
01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:47,119
being sued by some former interns over

2573
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:48,480
whether they should have been paid or

2574
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,520
not

2575
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,360
the state of california

2576
01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:53,440
sided with the interns reuben wound up

2577
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:55,760
with a judgment plus paying for the

2578
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:58,080
other side's legal fees that's what took

2579
01:38:00,629 --> 01:37:58,880
down

2580
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:00,639
just cause the citizens hearing if

2581
01:38:04,790 --> 01:38:02,960
anything kept that company going for an

2582
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:04,800
extra six months or a year and so i'm

2583
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:06,159
not

2584
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:07,920
someone who would agree with the

2585
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:09,520
proposition that steve somehow

2586
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:11,920
bankrupted the company due to his

2587
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:14,320
excessive spending reuben brought it on

2588
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:16,719
completely brought it on himself

2589
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:18,960
thank you for uh i was involved in the

2590
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:21,280
post-production of the project

2591
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,920
and i saw exactly what went on and some

2592
01:38:27,590 --> 01:38:25,440
of the stories that have come out that

2593
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:27,600
uh you know i mean they took a lot of

2594
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:30,400
money from people up front to

2595
01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:33,040
provide the the dvds of the entire

2596
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:34,239
project and

2597
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:36,719
within two three weeks of of you know

2598
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:38,239
getting everything in the can from the

2599
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:39,119
shoot

2600
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:41,679
we had it all done i mean it was all

2601
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,840
edited and ready to go and ready to be

2602
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:45,199
duplicated

2603
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,520
and reuben took it back over

2604
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,600
because he didn't like uh the way that

2605
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,000
it was done it took him over two years

2606
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:54,000
to actually do the editing of the

2607
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:56,880
project which came out

2608
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:59,119
way less professional than

2609
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:00,880
yeah he claimed ours was i think ours

2610
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:03,520
was was actually quite professional

2611
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:06,159
uh compared to the final product but

2612
01:39:09,750 --> 01:39:07,679
you know if you're going to be doing

2613
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:09,760
something and hiring people and giving

2614
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:12,000
them you know job titles and tasks to

2615
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:14,159
perform let them do their job don't jump

2616
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:15,040
in and

2617
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:16,400
and then say well i can do it better

2618
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:18,239
than you and then screw the whole thing

2619
01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:20,159
over for two and a half years it was

2620
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:22,239
really unfortunate the way that it was

2621
01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:23,679
totally mishandled and i think stephen

2622
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:25,520
could have stepped in and really cracked

2623
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:26,960
the whip

2624
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,040
instead of just letting everybody else

2625
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:31,280
figure it out i was pretty dismayed over

2626
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:32,960
the way the whole thing fell apart after

2627
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,199
all the footage was in the can i'm

2628
01:39:39,510 --> 01:39:37,440
heartbroken by we've left a head by the

2629
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:39,520
way and and there's more to tell in in

2630
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:41,040
the timeline but

2631
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:42,880
i don't get it i don't understand it

2632
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,560
i've been threatened with legal action

2633
01:39:49,109 --> 01:39:46,960
myself if i were to publish what i was

2634
01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:49,119
promised i had the rights to

2635
01:39:53,109 --> 01:39:50,800
i didn't get paid what i was promised to

2636
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:53,119
be paid for the work that i did you know

2637
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,800
they went bankrupt whatever happened by

2638
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:56,800
the time we get to dc there's just

2639
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,280
credit cards and no real money left the

2640
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:01,199
money that clearwater had had given

2641
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,800
turned out to be in hard silver the

2642
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:05,280
silver market tanks the 1.1 million

2643
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:07,920
turns out to be closer to 700 thousand

2644
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:10,639
if it had been 1.1 million or gone up as

2645
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,040
steve was expecting it to

2646
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,440
increase in value not decline then the

2647
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:17,040
truth embargo probably would have got

2648
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:18,320
produced there would have been plenty of

2649
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,639
money for everybody but all these things

2650
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:22,560
conflued together

2651
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:23,920
into this

2652
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:26,639
disaster but the part of it chris that i

2653
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:27,840
don't understand

2654
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:28,800
and you're

2655
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:30,560
more of an expert at the video

2656
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:32,960
production filmmaking business than i

2657
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:35,520
but here you have dr greer who by the

2658
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:37,280
way one of the things i will praise dr

2659
01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:40,400
greer for is this ability to monetize

2660
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,880
this issue with the serious documentary

2661
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:44,880
and now the unacknowledged uh

2662
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:47,119
documentary which was just repurposing a

2663
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:49,040
bunch of old video i went to la for the

2664
01:40:54,870 --> 01:40:52,320
premiere i just couldn't believe it

2665
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:54,880
anyhow his ability to do kickstarter

2666
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:57,280
gofundme and raise money and and all

2667
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:00,800
that and here jeremy corbell is sitting

2668
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:04,080
on in my view a gold mine of high def

2669
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:06,639
video 40 hours or more of the citizens

2670
01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:08,400
hearing plus whatever they've managed to

2671
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:10,400
shoot with anonymous

2672
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:11,199
and

2673
01:41:22,149 --> 01:41:19,760
yet they say they need to raise more

2674
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:22,159
money to edit it together

2675
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:24,239
uh when grier is out there showing you

2676
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:26,560
that you know with very little time and

2677
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,159
effort you can pull stuff together and

2678
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,320
throw it in a theater and make a few

2679
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,080
hundred thousand dollars it just blows

2680
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,400
me away but anyway in the in the

2681
01:41:39,270 --> 01:41:36,239
moment in dc

2682
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,280
uh on may 3rd uh the thing's over

2683
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:41,520
and you know they're they're not uh

2684
01:41:45,750 --> 01:41:43,280
giving me the check i'd been promised

2685
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:45,760
which was okay i mean i had a great time

2686
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:48,400
in dc i did get paid i think i got 10 or

2687
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:50,080
11 000

2688
01:41:53,990 --> 01:41:52,480
over the previous few months

2689
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,000
for the work i was doing which was

2690
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:56,159
pretty much full time from sundance

2691
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,080
through the hearings but what i was

2692
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:00,639
promised by reuben and he's confirmed

2693
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,440
this sense was the rights to the written

2694
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,040
material i wanted to put out a

2695
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,600
congressional record like

2696
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:09,840
footnoted cited

2697
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:12,960
verified version of all the testimony

2698
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:15,360
from the citizens hearing uh in print

2699
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:16,719
and he said yeah you can have the print

2700
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:19,199
rights we just want the video and audio

2701
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:21,840
and now they've said reuben and jeremy

2702
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,159
if you do that it could diminish our

2703
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,960
ability to monetize what we have

2704
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:29,119
and their their hope was to sell the

2705
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:31,679
whole package to the history channel or

2706
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:34,560
or sci-fi or somebody and so they didn't

2707
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:35,840
want me publishing the written

2708
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:38,639
transcript in case that potential buyer

2709
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:41,119
would want it all and i've said okay but

2710
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:44,320
i i have typed every word i've given it

2711
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:46,000
all to them for free to use for the

2712
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:47,520
closed captioning

2713
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,320
and i feel kind of frankly screwed

2714
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,480
but time will go by eventually that'll

2715
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:54,239
come out it'll be a contribution i'll

2716
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,360
make to history but in the process of

2717
01:43:01,830 --> 01:42:59,440
footnoting and citing

2718
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:01,840
the testimony you know i've run across

2719
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:02,960
some

2720
01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:05,280
false statements by people like dr greer

2721
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:07,040
and colonel french

2722
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,400
paul hellyer

2723
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:10,080
and this is the kind of vetting that

2724
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:11,520
should have occurred

2725
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:13,040
when they were going to submit their

2726
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:14,960
written testimony a month or more in

2727
01:43:19,350 --> 01:43:17,199
advance yeah i haven't vetted all of

2728
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:19,360
that and that was part of the design but

2729
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:22,000
you know steve's flaw

2730
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:23,920
one of steve's flaws and i've said this

2731
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:26,000
to him directly and by the way i want to

2732
01:43:29,669 --> 01:43:27,679
leave the context under this i love the

2733
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:29,679
guy i don't think he's ripping people

2734
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:31,600
off i don't think he's a liar he may be

2735
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:34,080
the most outrageously overly optimistic

2736
01:43:38,629 --> 01:43:36,320
human being i've ever met but but i

2737
01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:38,639
don't see any guile or intentional

2738
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:41,280
deception and i've been close enough to

2739
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:42,880
the guy to i think i would have turned

2740
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:44,880
that up where i see that in others

2741
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:47,040
almost immediately and so dr greer

2742
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:49,520
testified under oath i pulled it up here

2743
01:43:53,030 --> 01:43:51,119
in the transcript

2744
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:53,040
he's testifying before the six former

2745
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:54,800
members of congress this document's not

2746
01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:56,239
yet been released they'll make it

2747
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:57,679
available to committee there's great

2748
01:44:01,990 --> 01:44:00,159
progress being made admiral marin who

2749
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:02,000
won the prize ampere in france and is a

2750
01:44:05,830 --> 01:44:04,320
medical doctor as am i and also a phd

2751
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:05,840
physicist and was an advisor to

2752
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:08,239
president sarkozy and others has been

2753
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:10,400
meeting with us well there is no such

2754
01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:12,560
individual there's a list of vampire

2755
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:14,560
prize winners out on the internet from

2756
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:17,119
france uh there's no marin there's no

2757
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:19,920
admiral marin in france there's no dr

2758
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,119
marin

2759
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:23,760
this individual does not exist and yet

2760
01:44:27,910 --> 01:44:25,360
here's greer saying we've been meeting

2761
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:27,920
with him and he repeated it later at one

2762
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:30,159
of the evening sessions and so i wrote

2763
01:44:33,669 --> 01:44:31,920
the good doctor and said hey how do you

2764
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:33,679
spell marin i don't seem to be turning

2765
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:35,040
this up because all i've got is the

2766
01:44:38,709 --> 01:44:36,719
audio i don't know the spelling of any

2767
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:38,719
of these names which which took a lot of

2768
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:41,440
time for closed military bases in south

2769
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:43,440
america and generals in france and you

2770
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:45,119
know i'm looking up all this stuff dr

2771
01:44:47,910 --> 01:44:46,480
gur wrote me back immediately and said

2772
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:47,920
yeah i have to check my files i'll get

2773
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:49,760
back to you i've not heard from him

2774
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:51,199
since

2775
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:52,639
well you know what don't hold your

2776
01:44:55,669 --> 01:44:54,880
breath because you're gonna be wheezing

2777
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:55,679
soon

2778
01:44:59,910 --> 01:44:57,920
i'll send you no two tank

2779
01:45:02,950 --> 01:44:59,920
so i mean this is outrageous i'm the guy

2780
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,960
on stage raise your hand repeat after me

2781
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:04,560
i promise to tell the truth and nothing

2782
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:05,760
but the truth the members of this

2783
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:07,840
committee today thank you have a seat

2784
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:10,159
that was me he rose his hand he swore

2785
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:11,199
under oath

2786
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:12,639
uh and by the way i don't have a problem

2787
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:14,159
with somebody giving

2788
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,480
incorrect testimony under under oath i

2789
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:18,400
have a problem with you don't correct

2790
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:20,080
that after the fact for the official

2791
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,159
record when confronted with it that i

2792
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,000
have a big problem with we'll have a

2793
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:26,639
problem if we don't break more to come

2794
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:42,870
thank you for listening to gcn

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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2845
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and now

2846
01:48:11,669 --> 01:48:08,300
here's jane steinberg

2847
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:13,910
well of course in a case like this

2848
01:48:19,750 --> 01:48:16,560
joe you could swear to anything it's

2849
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:19,760
just a faux hearing well until you know

2850
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:22,639
dr bookman phd dude

2851
01:48:26,229 --> 01:48:24,239
thinking that uh it might be a good

2852
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,239
thing to to go uh

2853
01:48:30,550 --> 01:48:28,400
verify the testimony

2854
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:30,560
gets on your uh there's another word i

2855
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:31,920
was gonna say that i shouldn't say on

2856
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,639
the radio by the way i i then after

2857
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:36,800
typing all this stuff up in the course

2858
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:39,840
of the fall of 2013 and early 2014

2859
01:48:44,550 --> 01:48:42,159
i sent it all out to don schmidt stan

2860
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:44,560
friedman nick pope i'm like here's your

2861
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:47,520
testimony as i've transcribed it please

2862
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:49,360
proofread this because i can make errors

2863
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:51,760
too human beings make errors it's okay

2864
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:53,440
you can swear under oath

2865
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:55,440
and make an honest mistake the point is

2866
01:48:59,430 --> 01:48:57,199
when you're confronted with it you clean

2867
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:59,440
it up and nick pope went through his

2868
01:49:02,070 --> 01:49:00,800
testimony and said you know there's a

2869
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:02,080
couple of things that i should probably

2870
01:49:05,109 --> 01:49:03,840
have said a little differently

2871
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:05,119
here's whatever and he caught a couple

2872
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:08,400
of typos nick is the best in my view of

2873
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:11,199
a witness who prepares in advance gives

2874
01:49:16,149 --> 01:49:14,080
you his testimony delivers the testimony

2875
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:16,159
you know corrects it later this guy is

2876
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:17,440
pristine

2877
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:19,119
and so you know i didn't change what he

2878
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:20,639
said to the committee

2879
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,480
but i put it in a footnote or as an

2880
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:24,960
appendix or whatever and then others who

2881
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:27,199
i respect like stan friedman didn't get

2882
01:49:31,590 --> 01:49:29,520
back to me and i didn't follow up to

2883
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,600
pursue that because by now i'm getting

2884
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:33,840
you know cautioned not to publish this

2885
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:36,159
or put it up on the internet for free or

2886
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:38,000
whatever i want to do with it by the way

2887
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:41,440
day one before those warnings came i

2888
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,679
gave to the colorado mufon people and i

2889
01:49:48,070 --> 01:49:45,840
think you can go out there and find

2890
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:48,080
my written transcript the early draft of

2891
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:50,480
all of day one on a on a colorado mufon

2892
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:51,679
site

2893
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:53,679
i also went to burning man by the way i

2894
01:49:59,430 --> 01:49:56,960
love burning man and gave a a ted talk

2895
01:50:01,669 --> 01:49:59,440
out there at playa school

2896
01:50:02,790 --> 01:50:01,679
where i also gave out free copies of the

2897
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:02,800
day one

2898
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:04,800
written transcript and somebody found

2899
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:06,000
one of those

2900
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:08,239
in a bin at center camp just stumbled

2901
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:11,119
across it and put it up on the internet

2902
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:13,199
let's back up though so we're prior

2903
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:16,320
we're we're in early april of 2013

2904
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:18,239
citizens hearings coming together and

2905
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:19,679
and one of the things i started to say

2906
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:22,080
earlier that i've i've told steve and

2907
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:24,239
pretty direct feedback he's a micro

2908
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:26,880
manager he does not build a team around

2909
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:28,719
him and he doesn't delegate

2910
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:32,239
the the biggest lie in his uh advocacy

2911
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,840
is that he calls his organization the

2912
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:35,040
paragon

2913
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,000
paradigm research group there's no group

2914
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:40,960
it's steve and here's steve trying to

2915
01:50:45,189 --> 01:50:43,679
pull off this mega event at the national

2916
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,199
press club

2917
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:47,520
43 witnesses 10 different nations

2918
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:49,119
they're going to have simultaneous live

2919
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:51,199
translation into mandarin and spanish

2920
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,480
they were going to have other languages

2921
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:53,760
as well

2922
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:55,199
which you know that got cut as the

2923
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:57,040
budget became an issue

2924
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:58,960
he got six former members of congress

2925
01:51:01,990 --> 01:51:00,639
originally we're going to have five so i

2926
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:02,000
got to tell the story about adding

2927
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:04,480
roscoe bartlett and all that but but he

2928
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,320
could have would have should have put

2929
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,000
together a committee

2930
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,480
early on when the funding came through

2931
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:12,719
of people to vet those witnesses and not

2932
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,679
just pick them hand-picked them himself

2933
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:18,080
and he only had one woman linda moulton

2934
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:19,119
hal

2935
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,560
and so you know

2936
01:51:23,910 --> 01:51:22,400
there were accusations of sexism

2937
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:23,920
associated with that although we had

2938
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:25,760
darlene hooley and carolyn kilpatrick

2939
01:51:29,430 --> 01:51:27,840
and lynn woolsey as the three female

2940
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:29,440
members of the committee

2941
01:51:33,669 --> 01:51:31,920
uh only one female witness and other

2942
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:33,679
than denise

2943
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:34,800
marcel

2944
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:39,360
there i wouldn't call her a witness to

2945
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:41,360
anything other than the her experience

2946
01:51:45,589 --> 01:51:43,199
of the credibility of her grandfather

2947
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:45,599
her father and

2948
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,080
that was the fundamental flaw then that

2949
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:50,639
kind of crippled this grand design

2950
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:53,199
that in november december january even

2951
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,400
going into sundance looked like wow this

2952
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:58,480
could change the world you have former

2953
01:52:01,270 --> 01:52:00,239
members of congress people like senator

2954
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:01,280
gribel

2955
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:03,280
and others you're going to have the best

2956
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:05,599
witnesses from from the planet you're

2957
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:07,040
going to have this stuff vetted and

2958
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:08,880
reviewed by the committee in advance and

2959
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:10,400
then you're going to stage this thing in

2960
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:11,920
the main ballroom this is going to be

2961
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,960
terrific

2962
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:14,480
and you know it was something less than

2963
01:52:18,550 --> 01:52:16,400
that ideal the budget became an issue

2964
01:52:20,709 --> 01:52:18,560
that the drop in the value of the silver

2965
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:20,719
tightened things up the acrimony among

2966
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:22,320
the major players

2967
01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:23,760
by the time we get to the citizens

2968
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:25,840
hearing really steve bassett and reuben

2969
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:27,520
langdon are barely speaking to each

2970
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:29,760
other which made the event a little

2971
01:52:33,669 --> 01:52:32,159
difficult to manage right chris

2972
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:33,679
you were around for some of that i

2973
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:36,400
believe it was a little tense at times

2974
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,360
although i

2975
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:39,840
i just i had so much on my plate already

2976
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,199
i just didn't want to get embroiled in

2977
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:43,199
something that i really had no

2978
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:44,960
there was nothing i could do to help

2979
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:48,400
smooth things out it it really degraded

2980
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:49,679
by that point

2981
01:52:55,910 --> 01:52:52,639
yeah and steve uh by the way as far as i

2982
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:55,920
know steve bassett has not yet watched

2983
01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:57,520
listened to or read

2984
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:59,199
the testimony from the citizenry on

2985
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:00,880
disclosure he was out in the hallway for

2986
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:02,880
the whole thing

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having breakdowns with volunteers and

2988
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:07,679
others there was a security issue the

2989
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boston marathon bombing had just

2990
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occurred a couple of weeks earlier and

2991
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:13,840
you know were we at risk

2992
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there they didn't have metal detectors

2993
01:53:18,390 --> 01:53:16,960
up at the national press club yet i

2994
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:18,400
think they do now

2995
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:20,560
for those kind of public events

2996
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:23,040
it was something and you know i wound up

2997
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:24,960
with a roommate for that week who was

2998
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danny sheehan

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01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,880
so here i'd be you know over at the

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press club by 7

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01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:32,719
30 8 o'clock in the morning we'd get

3002
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,719
ready start the hearings they'd run from

3003
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,400
nine to five we'd take a dinner break

3004
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:38,480
we'd go back for the optional evening

3005
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:40,880
sessions that went on for three hours i

3006
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:42,960
was the emcee for part of that

3007
01:53:46,550 --> 01:53:45,040
uh i remember introducing richard dolan

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and telling people we'd be going until

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dawn

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uh why don't you gotta laugh

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01:53:53,270 --> 01:53:51,599
uh yeah it's midnight i go back to the

3012
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,280
room and i'm talking to danny sheehan

3013
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:55,760
about epistemology and

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01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:58,880
and uh you know religious uh history and

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theology and

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and uh danny was fasting can you imagine

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spending five days with danny sheehan in

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a hotel room in the middle of the city

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yeah really i'm jealous it was it was

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yes joseph could i nip in here a second

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if my memory serves me i i seem to

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01:54:21,910 --> 01:54:19,760
remember that after the hearing and

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obviously we we covered it in the power

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01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:24,560
cast especially with chris's involvement

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01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:26,560
and i seem to remember

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01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:29,199
seeing um stephen bassett being

3027
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:31,280
interviewed about you know how it had

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gone and stuff and then after a few

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01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:33,840
weeks

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you know a certain kind of interviewers

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01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:38,480
viewers we're starting to ask him

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um kind of awkward questions about

3033
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:44,800
should you not maybe have vetted the

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you know the testimony and the

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participants

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but kind of a bit better beforehand

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because

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the the like the mainstream media that

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were covering it would just immediately

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seize on the the wildest and weirdest of

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01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,400
you know the woo-woo crowd

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and steven bassett i don't know and i've

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always said in the podcast forums that i

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completely respect his passion his drive

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i i don't think he's a dishonest guy but

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he com singularly failed to grasp

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01:55:20,310 --> 01:55:18,800
that

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you know his

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his raison d'etre of his reason for

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being that he is spoiling it by not you

3051
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know uh vetting

3052
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:31,119
who he has coming on giving testimony

3053
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but it's it's like he resolutely refuses

3054
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to even see that could possibly be an

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issue and he never once

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accepted that you know that it could be

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a problem it would ever be a problem

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you'd say no no it's fine fine fine fine

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and i just couldn't understand this and

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it actually made me kind of fifty

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percent jokingly several times in in the

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paracast forums kind of a posit that he

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might be a planted disinfo agent

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because i i failed to see how someone

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with his intelligence could go to all

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that effort to

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you know for for

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to have this hearings obviously with a

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view to hopefully getting disclosure as

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he would couch it

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and yet not be able to see that just the

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including of several guests and their

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testimony is enough to just throw a

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spanner in the works because that's all

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the mainstream media will pick up on and

3076
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for him to fail to see the the gravity

3077
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:36,320
of that non-vetting yeah i think how can

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he not know that

3079
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:41,520
it's inexcusable yes absolutely and i've

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had conversations with him too i said

3081
01:56:47,750 --> 01:56:46,639
don't you realize that you set up this

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huge

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in inertia of gravitas to have it

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totally trashed by your last speaker who

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is summing up the entire event by

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reading the fictitious dialogue from a

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01:57:09,750 --> 01:57:05,360
known hoaxer on his conversations with a

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fantasy delusional e.t i i was so upset

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when paul hellyer started reading out of

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jim sparks book i i if i hadn't been

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working there i would have really

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acted out

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um

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by

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some some manner

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or another well uh let's do our break

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here guys

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we'll get into more of this and this is

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an argument i've had with stephen greer

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on the power cast about vetting

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these people he brings up

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more to come with

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joe and chris and gene and goggs and

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we'd like to hear from you if you have a

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neighbors just want to remind you that

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going to hear more from joe bookman

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and joe's going to be uncensored

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so joe we had stephen bassett on the

3223
02:02:40,470 --> 02:02:38,960
power cast early on the original

3224
02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:40,480
generation of the power cast and

3225
02:02:45,510 --> 02:02:43,199
everything a couple of times

3226
02:02:47,830 --> 02:02:45,520
and we always ragged on him for failing

3227
02:02:49,910 --> 02:02:47,840
to vet his guests

3228
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:49,920
he didn't seem to care it's just get the

3229
02:02:54,709 --> 02:02:51,840
word out i don't care how

3230
02:02:57,270 --> 02:02:54,719
and it's not as bad of course as what

3231
02:02:59,270 --> 02:02:57,280
mufon's doing this year where they're

3232
02:03:01,669 --> 02:02:59,280
having a symposium

3233
02:03:04,629 --> 02:03:01,679
about the secret space program

3234
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and if you want talk about a wacky bunch

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he found them but i don't know how that

3236
02:03:12,229 --> 02:03:09,760
advances the cause of scientific ufo

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research i understand basset he has

3238
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:15,520
blinders on about this he's singularly

3239
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:17,520
dedicated to

3240
02:03:22,070 --> 02:03:19,920
producing what he hopes is disclosure

3241
02:03:24,229 --> 02:03:22,080
although we all wonder exactly what the

3242
02:03:26,950 --> 02:03:24,239
government has to disclose

3243
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:26,960
but he doesn't listen when you say you

3244
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can't have people like this you're

3245
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trying to make a public impression

3246
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and you have to watch yourself

3247
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i'll start by saying i agree but let me

3248
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quickly add in my view

3249
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you're being a little overly harsh on mr

3250
02:03:43,510 --> 02:03:41,520
basset by the way going into the break

3251
02:03:45,030 --> 02:03:43,520
you said you had stephen greer on i

3252
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:45,040
think you missed spoken yeah by the way

3253
02:03:49,350 --> 02:03:47,840
we did have grier on a couple of times

3254
02:03:50,870 --> 02:03:49,360
and one time he was about ready to

3255
02:03:53,270 --> 02:03:50,880
really yell at us

3256
02:03:56,390 --> 02:03:53,280
because we dared to question him

3257
02:03:58,629 --> 02:03:56,400
yes and the guy's a messianic figure

3258
02:04:00,470 --> 02:03:58,639
um steve is not steve steve has a

3259
02:04:02,629 --> 02:04:00,480
certain humility let me be the devil's

3260
02:04:04,390 --> 02:04:02,639
advocate a bit but remember i started by

3261
02:04:07,589 --> 02:04:04,400
saying i agree

3262
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:07,599
um i don't think steve sees himself as

3263
02:04:11,830 --> 02:04:09,199
the gatekeeper

3264
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:11,840
for vetting who's credible and who's not

3265
02:04:17,910 --> 02:04:14,639
credible in this field and in a normal

3266
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:17,920
academic community it's the community of

3267
02:04:23,750 --> 02:04:21,040
scholars that hold each other to account

3268
02:04:27,270 --> 02:04:23,760
for any dishonesty that's brought into

3269
02:04:29,990 --> 02:04:27,280
that field and ufology is so sorely

3270
02:04:32,709 --> 02:04:30,000
lacking in that that it's unfair to say

3271
02:04:35,270 --> 02:04:32,719
to ambassador others you need to be the

3272
02:04:37,510 --> 02:04:35,280
one to do this no it's up to all of us

3273
02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:37,520
we should all be calling each other out

3274
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:39,199
and i'm doing some of that and it's not

3275
02:04:43,669 --> 02:04:41,040
without risk you get threatened with

3276
02:04:46,870 --> 02:04:43,679
legal action uh you know grier certainly

3277
02:04:48,790 --> 02:04:46,880
has uh the good dr greer certainly has

3278
02:04:50,950 --> 02:04:48,800
some impressive financial resources

3279
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:50,960
based on what i'm reading of of how much

3280
02:04:53,830 --> 02:04:52,480
money his documentaries make i don't

3281
02:04:56,229 --> 02:04:53,840
have those kind of resources i don't

3282
02:04:58,149 --> 02:04:56,239
want to get into uh you know any kind of

3283
02:05:00,470 --> 02:04:58,159
uh costly uh

3284
02:05:02,470 --> 02:05:00,480
attorney fees for for defending what i

3285
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:02,480
might uh say that that could be

3286
02:05:06,070 --> 02:05:04,560
characterized as slander

3287
02:05:07,990 --> 02:05:06,080
unless you prove it but in a normal

3288
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:08,000
academic field with peer-reviewed

3289
02:05:12,629 --> 02:05:10,800
journals you're not at risk in that way

3290
02:05:16,070 --> 02:05:12,639
in the in the way that you are currently

3291
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:16,080
in in quote ufology and i i went back i

3292
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:18,400
think as early as 2013

3293
02:05:22,550 --> 02:05:21,040
i was doing research on what witnesses

3294
02:05:25,270 --> 02:05:22,560
we might get and and how to put the

3295
02:05:27,109 --> 02:05:25,280
hearing i listened to the paracast where

3296
02:05:28,709 --> 02:05:27,119
steve got very angry with you for

3297
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:28,719
challenging him about vetting and he

3298
02:05:32,390 --> 02:05:31,119
said it's not my job it's not my job i'm

3299
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:32,400
going to take this

3300
02:05:37,430 --> 02:05:35,040
body of knowledge this community uh

3301
02:05:39,510 --> 02:05:37,440
that's supposed to be vetting itself

3302
02:05:41,109 --> 02:05:39,520
uh and throw that at the political

3303
02:05:42,629 --> 02:05:41,119
figures that are out there i can't be

3304
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:42,639
the one to decide who's credible and

3305
02:05:47,830 --> 02:05:44,480
who's not it's an unfair role to put me

3306
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:47,840
in i'm not without sympathy to that that

3307
02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:48,719
said

3308
02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:50,719
the citizens hearing was compromised by

3309
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:52,400
not having better betting of the

3310
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:53,840
witnesses and again that shouldn't have

3311
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:55,199
been up to steve

3312
02:05:59,350 --> 02:05:57,280
in an ideal world it would have been a

3313
02:06:01,510 --> 02:05:59,360
committee that he might put together of

3314
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:01,520
credible people to review the proposed

3315
02:06:05,189 --> 02:06:03,199
testimony these folks would bring

3316
02:06:07,270 --> 02:06:05,199
forward before they were then approved

3317
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:07,280
to be a witness which by the way would

3318
02:06:11,830 --> 02:06:09,840
also mean that the tom clearwater could

3319
02:06:13,510 --> 02:06:11,840
have get could have been told

3320
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:13,520
great donation it's going to take us a

3321
02:06:18,629 --> 02:06:16,239
year or even 18 months to do all that

3322
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:18,639
instead they tried to rush it and have

3323
02:06:22,709 --> 02:06:20,880
the hearings happen in may so they only

3324
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:22,719
spent a couple of three months on that

3325
02:06:26,709 --> 02:06:24,880
it should have probably been a longer

3326
02:06:28,229 --> 02:06:26,719
amount of time i think steve would agree

3327
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:28,239
with that now that he wishes he had

3328
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:31,199
taken more time i think he's

3329
02:06:35,750 --> 02:06:33,199
brought up an interesting point there

3330
02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:35,760
and that i don't think steve bassett's a

3331
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:38,000
bad guy and i think he must have you

3332
02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:40,639
know just given so much hours and effort

3333
02:06:44,550 --> 02:06:42,480
to that and i commend

3334
02:06:47,910 --> 02:06:44,560
him for all of that and his other

3335
02:06:49,910 --> 02:06:47,920
ventures but it's quite funny kind of to

3336
02:06:53,510 --> 02:06:49,920
hear him say that you know it's not up

3337
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:53,520
to him to uh vet the testimony because

3338
02:06:58,950 --> 02:06:55,920
it's up to the ufo field kind of thing

3339
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:58,960
and that that is a fair point except

3340
02:07:03,910 --> 02:07:01,280
that he singularly failed to even

3341
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:03,920
delegate that role to anyone else

3342
02:07:07,510 --> 02:07:06,400
because he connect almost kept that for

3343
02:07:09,589 --> 02:07:07,520
himself

3344
02:07:10,629 --> 02:07:09,599
so so that that was the only kind of

3345
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:10,639
part that

3346
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:12,960
in his mind right that does not be

3347
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:15,119
square but yeah i get what you're saying

3348
02:07:18,709 --> 02:07:17,360
on that we're in full agreement uh and

3349
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:18,719
again i said earlier

3350
02:07:21,510 --> 02:07:19,920
in my experience i've taught him this

3351
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:21,520
directly too he doesn't delegate he

3352
02:07:24,790 --> 02:07:22,960
doesn't build a team

3353
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:24,800
there is no group in the research group

3354
02:07:28,470 --> 02:07:26,480
if there was any group i'd be as close

3355
02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:28,480
to that to anyone and when i've asked

3356
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:31,280
steve to publicize to his lists

3357
02:07:34,229 --> 02:07:32,800
other presentations i've made for

3358
02:07:37,430 --> 02:07:34,239
example i believe i'm the only guy in

3359
02:07:39,430 --> 02:07:37,440
the ufo field if i'm in that field

3360
02:07:41,750 --> 02:07:39,440
who's been accepted at seti you know i

3361
02:07:44,149 --> 02:07:41,760
gave an hour-long presentation at a seti

3362
02:07:46,310 --> 02:07:44,159
conference in mountain view california

3363
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:46,320
uh in 2014

3364
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:48,880
uh chess so stock was in the audience

3365
02:07:52,390 --> 02:07:50,400
seth and i had dinner together that

3366
02:07:54,550 --> 02:07:52,400
night he's not a fan of steve bassett

3367
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:54,560
either steve actually threatened him

3368
02:07:59,189 --> 02:07:56,880
with punching him in the face because in

3369
02:08:01,750 --> 02:07:59,199
steve's world view he's convinced that

3370
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:01,760
dr showstock is part of the cover-up

3371
02:08:08,709 --> 02:08:05,440
i'm not steve finds that a flaw in my

3372
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:08,719
character i suppose i think seti and

3373
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:10,880
others are just in these silos of

3374
02:08:13,750 --> 02:08:12,560
scientific research they're not willing

3375
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:13,760
to look

3376
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:15,679
at what hard evidence there is out there

3377
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:17,199
in part because there's so much crap

3378
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:20,480
surrounding it some of which i think is

3379
02:08:24,870 --> 02:08:22,320
government intentional disinformation

3380
02:08:26,550 --> 02:08:24,880
and some of it's these flim-flam artists

3381
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:26,560
who are in it to make a buck by saying

3382
02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:28,320
outrageous stuff and the mufon

3383
02:08:33,109 --> 02:08:29,840
conference in vegas

3384
02:08:34,149 --> 02:08:33,119
in two weeks is certainly

3385
02:08:36,310 --> 02:08:34,159
any other

3386
02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:36,320
excuse me yes it's okay were you

3387
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:38,560
sneezing again that

3388
02:08:42,550 --> 02:08:39,280
yeah

3389
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:42,560
so let me jump ahead to that

3390
02:08:46,470 --> 02:08:45,119
i'm in las vegas that week at another

3391
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:46,480
conference

3392
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:48,960
freedom fest 2000 people

3393
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,360
mostly tea party republicans steve

3394
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:53,360
forbes like people it's organized by a

3395
02:08:57,669 --> 02:08:55,280
guy named mark scowden

3396
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:57,679
it's their 10th year and i've been to

3397
02:09:01,910 --> 02:08:59,679
several freedom fests it attracts a lot

3398
02:09:03,589 --> 02:09:01,920
of libertarians as well

3399
02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:03,599
so they announced last year that their

3400
02:09:07,430 --> 02:09:05,440
theme for this year is exploring new

3401
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frontiers and their keynote speaker is

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william shatner

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02:09:14,229 --> 02:09:11,040
and so last fall

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on a lark i sent him a speaker proposal

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for a session at freedom fest to be

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titled is e.t libertarian question mark

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uh the non-aggression principle

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if they're here their libertarians

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exclamation point because as an academic

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i wanted to have an exclamation point a

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question mark and a colon all-in-one

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title right so i fire this off thinking

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these guys are going to tell me to pound

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sand and they go this sounds great can

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you put together a panel we use an

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fees no expenses at all but can you get

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other people to come

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so i'm like okay great and dr john

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alexander lives in las vegas and

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immediately agreed to do it so yeah john

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snap is there you get george doing no

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swinging for the fences but that is now

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scheduled for friday july 20th and then

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they put me on a second panel on

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saturday morning on digital privacy

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a libertarian i guess they think i know

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something about that now i'll pretend i

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hi this is nick pope you're listening to

3546
02:15:01,669 --> 02:14:58,390
he's trying to sound deep dark

3547
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:01,679
mysterious yes yeah my radio voice

3548
02:15:04,470 --> 02:15:03,040
right now i want to ask you something

3549
02:15:06,709 --> 02:15:04,480
because we have two segments left with

3550
02:15:09,990 --> 02:15:06,719
the show and we've had some fascinating

3551
02:15:12,390 --> 02:15:10,000
tales of your travels through the years

3552
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:12,400
to the highways and byways and the

3553
02:15:17,430 --> 02:15:15,360
realms of ufo research and disclosure

3554
02:15:20,229 --> 02:15:17,440
let's talk about what you believe

3555
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:20,239
not what stephen bassett says not what

3556
02:15:27,109 --> 02:15:24,000
dr greer says not what paula harris says

3557
02:15:29,270 --> 02:15:27,119
not what linda moulton howe says

3558
02:15:31,990 --> 02:15:29,280
but what you have to say

3559
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:32,000
do you think there's anything

3560
02:15:35,589 --> 02:15:34,000
that the government knows that needs to

3561
02:15:37,270 --> 02:15:35,599
be disclosed

3562
02:15:37,990 --> 02:15:37,280
those are really two questions aren't

3563
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:38,000
they

3564
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:39,840
well we can make it 10 if you want go

3565
02:15:42,629 --> 02:15:40,719
ahead

3566
02:15:45,189 --> 02:15:42,639
boy i come back to the answer i gave

3567
02:15:47,990 --> 02:15:45,199
earlier i don't know and i'm fascinated

3568
02:15:49,350 --> 02:15:48,000
by this i i it's a curiosity to me that

3569
02:15:51,350 --> 02:15:49,360
every human being

3570
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:51,360
isn't engaged in this

3571
02:15:54,790 --> 02:15:53,040
in this conversation if there's anything

3572
02:15:58,629 --> 02:15:54,800
i bring to the field

3573
02:16:01,109 --> 02:15:58,639
in terms of what i believe it is that

3574
02:16:03,030 --> 02:16:01,119
if i were an alien i'll put it this way

3575
02:16:05,270 --> 02:16:03,040
and it's kind of a stan friedman take on

3576
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:05,280
it too uh if i were an alien would i

3577
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:06,960
really want to drop by planet earth

3578
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:09,040
right now and the answer is clearly no i

3579
02:16:13,990 --> 02:16:10,800
mean as a human being i don't want to go

3580
02:16:15,510 --> 02:16:14,000
to damascus right now either and i i

3581
02:16:18,310 --> 02:16:15,520
think planet earth in the broader

3582
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:18,320
context of whatever evolved life exists

3583
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:21,280
in the cosmos looks a lot like damascus

3584
02:16:25,510 --> 02:16:23,040
primary human activity killing each

3585
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:25,520
other primary economic activity coming

3586
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:27,760
up with more

3587
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:30,639
disgusting vile evil

3588
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:32,800
ways of mass killing each other it makes

3589
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:35,359
me kind of sad to imagine a loving

3590
02:16:38,870 --> 02:16:36,960
creator of the universe looking at

3591
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:38,880
planet earth and and how would would he

3592
02:16:42,870 --> 02:16:40,240
or she feel

3593
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:42,880
horrified i'd like to see a planet move

3594
02:16:46,469 --> 02:16:45,359
toward radical voluntarism

3595
02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:46,479
watch

3596
02:16:52,629 --> 02:16:49,679
foster gamble's documentary thrive

3597
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:52,639
and parts of thrive i i find incredible

3598
02:16:57,270 --> 02:16:55,519
and unusual but when foster articulates

3599
02:16:59,270 --> 02:16:57,280
a vision for the planet

3600
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:59,280
moving toward voluntary human

3601
02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:01,040
relationships and not relationships

3602
02:17:06,790 --> 02:17:04,240
based on force i am an unreserved fan of

3603
02:17:07,990 --> 02:17:06,800
that part of foster's work

3604
02:17:09,589 --> 02:17:08,000
and so

3605
02:17:11,349 --> 02:17:09,599
you know i run as a libertarian i'm

3606
02:17:13,589 --> 02:17:11,359
running right now for the united states

3607
02:17:15,509 --> 02:17:13,599
congress for the seat that was vacated

3608
02:17:17,509 --> 02:17:15,519
by jason chaffetz last week when he

3609
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:17,519
resigned by the way i think he ought to

3610
02:17:21,110 --> 02:17:19,200
be billed for the cost of holding this

3611
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:21,120
special election after running last year

3612
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:23,120
and resigning

3613
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:24,639
two months into his term but anyway i'm

3614
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:25,920
running as a libertarian because i

3615
02:17:29,349 --> 02:17:27,439
really believe this

3616
02:17:30,870 --> 02:17:29,359
we need to start moving toward

3617
02:17:32,870 --> 02:17:30,880
non-violent relationships the

3618
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:32,880
non-initiation of aggression principle

3619
02:17:35,910 --> 02:17:34,240
the nap

3620
02:17:38,309 --> 02:17:35,920
is core to that it comes out of a field

3621
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:38,319
of philosophy called natural law

3622
02:17:41,830 --> 02:17:39,599
two key elements you don't get to

3623
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:41,840
initiate force and you own your own

3624
02:17:46,389 --> 02:17:44,080
physical body the meat bucket you're

3625
02:17:48,549 --> 02:17:46,399
having this human experience in either

3626
02:17:50,469 --> 02:17:48,559
belongs to you 100 percent or you're

3627
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:50,479
part slave and right now we're part

3628
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:51,439
slave

3629
02:17:55,750 --> 02:17:53,599
we're told what we can or cannot do with

3630
02:17:59,110 --> 02:17:55,760
our physical body in ways that are in my

3631
02:18:00,790 --> 02:17:59,120
view evil so as we move toward a human

3632
02:18:02,629 --> 02:18:00,800
culture on earth that's based on

3633
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:02,639
non-initiation of aggression and

3634
02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:04,160
self-ownership

3635
02:18:08,830 --> 02:18:06,399
i i feel like we become a planet at

3636
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:08,840
peace and e.t if he's out there

3637
02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:11,200
interdimensional souped-up corvette that

3638
02:18:15,349 --> 02:18:12,880
flew in here whatever

3639
02:18:18,549 --> 02:18:15,359
will feel more likely to drop by at

3640
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:18,559
least i would as i imagine that

3641
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:20,479
the other thing that that causes me to

3642
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:22,559
to give my life over to this is i do

3643
02:18:26,389 --> 02:18:24,399
feel like if people have given

3644
02:18:28,230 --> 02:18:26,399
contractual agreements that are extra

3645
02:18:29,910 --> 02:18:28,240
constitutional

3646
02:18:32,230 --> 02:18:29,920
around this issue

3647
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:32,240
that that's a human birthright issue we

3648
02:18:36,709 --> 02:18:33,599
deserve to know if we're alone in the

3649
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:36,719
cosmos or not and that if we knew that

3650
02:18:40,549 --> 02:18:38,800
if we have this copernican revolution

3651
02:18:42,150 --> 02:18:40,559
times ten thousand you know

3652
02:18:43,589 --> 02:18:42,160
pre-copernicus we thought we were the

3653
02:18:45,669 --> 02:18:43,599
center of the universe

3654
02:18:47,509 --> 02:18:45,679
post copernicus we know we're a ball of

3655
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:47,519
dirt that's orbiting a star and it's

3656
02:18:52,309 --> 02:18:50,319
kind of average now with kepler

3657
02:18:54,389 --> 02:18:52,319
thanks to bill baruchy who drove the

3658
02:18:56,870 --> 02:18:54,399
design of the kepler space telescope we

3659
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:56,880
know about exoplanets the universe is

3660
02:19:00,870 --> 02:18:58,719
teaming with planets it's teaming with

3661
02:19:02,549 --> 02:19:00,880
moons around planets

3662
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:02,559
it's teeming with places where life

3663
02:19:06,629 --> 02:19:04,559
could occur it's probably almost

3664
02:19:09,110 --> 02:19:06,639
certainly teeming with life

3665
02:19:10,150 --> 02:19:09,120
and if we knew we weren't alone

3666
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:10,160
i think

3667
02:19:13,910 --> 02:19:11,599
a lot of the violence on earth would

3668
02:19:15,910 --> 02:19:13,920
disappear overnight we'd stop fighting

3669
02:19:17,830 --> 02:19:15,920
over our geography we'd see ourselves as

3670
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:17,840
earthlings

3671
02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:19,280
rather than as

3672
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:21,599
israelis or jews or catholics or

3673
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:23,760
protestants we'd begin to unify and that

3674
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:25,679
would be a good thing and that's that's

3675
02:19:29,190 --> 02:19:26,719
why

3676
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:29,200
you know i i put my personal resources

3677
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:31,120
time and money into into running for

3678
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:33,040
office to articulate that that's what i

3679
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:34,399
believe

3680
02:19:42,389 --> 02:19:39,040
knows things that i don't know on this

3681
02:19:44,629 --> 02:19:42,399
issue yes i do i i find uh gordon

3682
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:44,639
cooper's book a leap of faith

3683
02:19:48,790 --> 02:19:46,639
uh where he describes the foo fighters

3684
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:48,800
he saw as a pilot in world war ii and he

3685
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:51,760
describes the lenticular based

3686
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:53,840
ship which put down three landing legs

3687
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:55,840
at edwards when he was there

3688
02:20:00,469 --> 02:19:57,520
the film he saw of that i find that

3689
02:20:02,790 --> 02:20:00,479
credible i find edgar mitchell credible

3690
02:20:04,710 --> 02:20:02,800
i find travis walton credible boy if

3691
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:04,720
that guy's making up that story and got

3692
02:20:09,190 --> 02:20:06,640
five other guys to be able to pass lie

3693
02:20:10,309 --> 02:20:09,200
detector tests about the same i agree

3694
02:20:12,389 --> 02:20:10,319
wow

3695
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:12,399
that's so incredible that i find his

3696
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:14,800
very incredible story the more credible

3697
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:16,560
uh likelihood

3698
02:20:19,670 --> 02:20:18,319
one thing though about travis walton

3699
02:20:21,510 --> 02:20:19,680
before we go on

3700
02:20:23,190 --> 02:20:21,520
that he's telling the truth doesn't tell

3701
02:20:25,510 --> 02:20:23,200
us what really happened it's what he

3702
02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:25,520
thinks happened yes and and he was

3703
02:20:28,550 --> 02:20:27,280
clearly out of it for most of the time

3704
02:20:31,270 --> 02:20:28,560
he was gone

3705
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:31,280
i um i was in the emcee for the sonoma

3706
02:20:36,150 --> 02:20:34,160
um film festival ufo uh day a couple

3707
02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:36,160
years ago and they asked me to create

3708
02:20:40,309 --> 02:20:38,080
that and i said let's get jennifer

3709
02:20:42,710 --> 02:20:40,319
stein's documentary travis

3710
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:42,720
and fire in the sky and show them back

3711
02:20:47,270 --> 02:20:45,040
to back with travis in the room

3712
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:47,280
which was an amazing experience out of

3713
02:20:51,670 --> 02:20:48,640
all the things i've done in film at

3714
02:20:53,670 --> 02:20:51,680
sundance and elsewhere travis walton

3715
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:53,680
watching fire in the sky in a theater

3716
02:20:57,910 --> 02:20:56,399
setting for the first time in 20 years

3717
02:21:00,389 --> 02:20:57,920
and then watching the documentary

3718
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:00,399
jennifer had done and then having travis

3719
02:21:04,150 --> 02:21:01,840
on a panel where i'm asking him

3720
02:21:06,230 --> 02:21:04,160
questions about those two films i wish

3721
02:21:08,230 --> 02:21:06,240
it had been recorded it was i'm getting

3722
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:08,240
chills just talking about it one of the

3723
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:10,560
things i said travis what did hollywood

3724
02:21:12,389 --> 02:21:11,359
get

3725
02:21:14,469 --> 02:21:12,399
right

3726
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:14,479
more accurate better than this

3727
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:16,080
documentary because a lot of what

3728
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:18,880
hollywood did was distort his story

3729
02:21:22,550 --> 02:21:21,040
he said joe even though what they show

3730
02:21:24,950 --> 02:21:22,560
happening in the ship is nothing like

3731
02:21:27,590 --> 02:21:24,960
what happened the emotional experience

3732
02:21:30,070 --> 02:21:27,600
of just watching that yesterday

3733
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:30,080
took me back in a more real way to how

3734
02:21:33,429 --> 02:21:31,600
terrified i was

3735
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:33,439
than what's in the documentary which ron

3736
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:35,120
james has been doing the special effects

3737
02:21:38,469 --> 02:21:37,200
for that that are more accurate but he

3738
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:38,479
said even though it wasn't an accurate

3739
02:21:43,670 --> 02:21:41,200
depiction emotionally it was a more real

3740
02:21:45,990 --> 02:21:43,680
experience than the documentary for me

3741
02:21:48,469 --> 02:21:46,000
and and clearly this is a man who was

3742
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:48,479
terrified by whatever occurred

3743
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:50,640
uh yeah so a human being's ability to

3744
02:21:56,150 --> 02:21:54,080
report with 100 precision what occurred

3745
02:21:59,030 --> 02:21:56,160
while being terrified

3746
02:22:01,670 --> 02:21:59,040
is not entirely reliable that said what

3747
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,680
a credible witness he is to something

3748
02:22:04,790 --> 02:22:03,359
going on and so yeah i believe the

3749
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:04,800
government knows more about that than i

3750
02:22:09,030 --> 02:22:06,800
do and i think it is a birthright issue

3751
02:22:11,110 --> 02:22:09,040
where we all ought to know what i wonder

3752
02:22:13,110 --> 02:22:11,120
is if

3753
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:13,120
those in charge of that secret if there

3754
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:14,960
is really such a secret i don't know

3755
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:17,680
that for sure but i surely suspect it if

3756
02:22:22,070 --> 02:22:19,760
those in charge of that don't realize

3757
02:22:24,230 --> 02:22:22,080
that it would do more harm than good to

3758
02:22:25,910 --> 02:22:24,240
let all that out and i suspect if they

3759
02:22:28,150 --> 02:22:25,920
were let it all out whatever they do

3760
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:28,160
know it's going to raise 10 000 times

3761
02:22:31,270 --> 02:22:29,600
more questions

3762
02:22:33,750 --> 02:22:31,280
than we have right now i don't do i

3763
02:22:35,830 --> 02:22:33,760
think they have all the answers oh no

3764
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:35,840
no not at all so maybe they don't

3765
02:22:39,270 --> 02:22:37,200
release it because it's only going to do

3766
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:39,280
more harm than good i'd like to believe

3767
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:40,640
that

3768
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:44,160
nefarious and keeping it a secret but i

3769
02:22:49,830 --> 02:22:45,840
don't know

3770
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:49,840
what if they have a mystery on their

3771
02:22:52,630 --> 02:22:51,920
hands they have no idea what's causing

3772
02:22:54,309 --> 02:22:52,640
it

3773
02:22:56,790 --> 02:22:54,319
and there might be the fear on the part

3774
02:22:58,870 --> 02:22:56,800
of the authorities look if we admit

3775
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,880
that we have a phenomenon that we can't

3776
02:23:03,990 --> 02:23:00,319
explain

3777
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:04,000
doesn't adhere to any conventional

3778
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:06,319
science that we know about how can we

3779
02:23:08,469 --> 02:23:07,680
admit that

3780
02:23:11,510 --> 02:23:08,479
yeah

3781
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:11,520
so i i agree but you the question was do

3782
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:13,600
they know things that i don't know

3783
02:23:17,349 --> 02:23:15,200
and then should they release them so

3784
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:17,359
it's kind of two questions yes i think

3785
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they do there's gun camera footage of

3786
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military pilot witnesses that has

3787
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probably been sequestered somewhere

3788
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there's whatever footage gordon cooper

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reported that he saw in film of

3790
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whatever occurred at edwards air force

3791
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base the day of that missile launch that

3792
02:23:35,670 --> 02:23:33,680
he then says disappeared didn't wind up

3793
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in project blue book or anywhere so yeah

3794
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i'm sure there's

3795
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i'm relatively sure almost positive

3796
02:23:42,950 --> 02:23:40,720
there's stuff like that there's reasons

3797
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:42,960
these friends of mine hit a stone wall

3798
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:45,439
when i asked this question

3799
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they've made agreements that they honor

3800
02:23:52,469 --> 02:23:50,080
not to talk about this stuff apparently

3801
02:23:55,030 --> 02:23:52,479
i'd like to see those agreements removed

3802
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:55,040
and have open hearings on the issue

3803
02:23:59,590 --> 02:23:56,720
but my concern is would that do more

3804
02:24:01,910 --> 02:23:59,600
harm than good i don't know

3805
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well as they admit they don't know that

3806
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could be a problem if they admit it's

3807
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spaceships that could be a problem

3808
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so

3809
02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:09,840
it depends on what they have to admit

3810
02:24:15,510 --> 02:24:13,120
what kind of political problem they have

3811
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we have something else to present

3812
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one more segment with

3813
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joe bookman

3814
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and you see we really didn't get too

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political did we

3816
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with gene chris

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goggs

3818
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and joe

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you're in all participants vetted

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all right i don't even know what to say

3927
02:29:16,150 --> 02:29:13,840
about that i think goggs is

3928
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:16,160
somewhere else he's in the tardis right

3929
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now joe okay so i get the impression

3930
02:29:23,910 --> 02:29:21,439
here you're an e.t kind of guy is that

3931
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correct well hmm

3932
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i mean that and more that certainly

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doesn't doesn't cover all of what i

3934
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imagine is going on i went to mountain

3935
02:29:36,309 --> 02:29:33,520
view the night that bill beruki received

3936
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the drake award from frank drake it's a

3937
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highlight of my whole life frank drake

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the author of the drake equation said he

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gives out an annual frank drake award

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they're giving it to bill baruchy the

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guy who

3942
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:47,120
kept proposing the kepler mission until

3943
02:29:50,790 --> 02:29:48,960
finally nasa surrendered and launched

3944
02:29:52,870 --> 02:29:50,800
the thing and that's the thing that has

3945
02:29:54,950 --> 02:29:52,880
given us all of the data

3946
02:29:57,349 --> 02:29:54,960
that tells us there are exoplanets and

3947
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:57,359
planetary formation is a common

3948
02:30:01,750 --> 02:29:59,520
occurrence in the cosmos kepler by the

3949
02:30:03,590 --> 02:30:01,760
way was staring at a point of the night

3950
02:30:05,990 --> 02:30:03,600
sky about the size of the palm of your

3951
02:30:07,670 --> 02:30:06,000
hand held at arm's length away from your

3952
02:30:09,670 --> 02:30:07,680
eyes that's all the cosmos we've looked

3953
02:30:12,070 --> 02:30:09,680
at we haven't looked at everywhere else

3954
02:30:13,750 --> 02:30:12,080
in the dome of the night sky one spot

3955
02:30:15,110 --> 02:30:13,760
the size of the palm of your hand and

3956
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:15,120
it's gathered the data about the

3957
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:17,120
diminution of the luminosity of stars

3958
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:19,280
with planetary transits and it stopped

3959
02:30:22,790 --> 02:30:21,120
working two of its gyroscopes went out a

3960
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:22,800
couple of years ago so when you hear

3961
02:30:26,950 --> 02:30:24,960
about these new exoplanet discoveries

3962
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:26,960
it's the analysis of all this collected

3963
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:29,600
data from years ago we're not getting a

3964
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:31,200
lot of new data there's a kepler-2

3965
02:30:35,190 --> 02:30:32,720
mission that sort of does that but

3966
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:35,200
without getting into the weeds being at

3967
02:30:39,590 --> 02:30:37,760
that steady event at a private home

3968
02:30:42,070 --> 02:30:39,600
outside of mountain view to acknowledge

3969
02:30:43,990 --> 02:30:42,080
this gentleman for the lifelong research

3970
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:44,000
he did the commitment to getting kepler

3971
02:30:49,429 --> 02:30:46,800
launched to give humanity now and at

3972
02:30:51,510 --> 02:30:49,439
this moment in time the data that shows

3973
02:30:52,710 --> 02:30:51,520
that there are planets around other

3974
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stars

3975
02:30:57,270 --> 02:30:54,960
uh and they're inhabitable zones there

3976
02:30:58,630 --> 02:30:57,280
could be life that evolved out there

3977
02:31:00,550 --> 02:30:58,640
well my goodness

3978
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we used to say that there are more stars

3979
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in the observable universe than grains

3980
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of sand on all the beaches of the earth

3981
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and now there's about 10 times that much

3982
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stuff in terms of the number of planets

3983
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:10,399
and moons

3984
02:31:13,670 --> 02:31:12,240
with habitable zones they don't all have

3985
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to be in the goldilocks zone they just

3986
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have to have a belt

3987
02:31:19,030 --> 02:31:17,120
of habitability on them that could be

3988
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moons as well as planets

3989
02:31:22,870 --> 02:31:20,640
do we really think that we're the only

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biological life that grew up and then

3991
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that we're the most technologically

3992
02:31:31,270 --> 02:31:28,800
advanced wise biolife in the cosmos no

3993
02:31:32,150 --> 02:31:31,280
that just seems absurd in the face of

3994
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that

3995
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scientific reality having nothing to do

3996
02:31:38,070 --> 02:31:36,880
with the ufo issue then there are these

3997
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credible

3998
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intriguing body of evidence

3999
02:31:47,750 --> 02:31:44,319
of people like travis walton or ed

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02:31:49,830 --> 02:31:47,760
mitchell or or gordon cooper or others

4001
02:31:52,070 --> 02:31:49,840
that i think are deserving of more

4002
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scientific inquiry and then associated

4003
02:31:56,550 --> 02:31:53,840
that with is all this crazy the

4004
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flim-flam artists the nut cases the

4005
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people who are as steve bassett says in

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immediate native intense psychiatric

4007
02:32:05,590 --> 02:32:03,840
intervention by the way if you want to

4008
02:32:07,110 --> 02:32:05,600
know steve does have a horizon of

4009
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vetting because we've talked about this

4010
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mufon conference and he can't believe

4011
02:32:13,030 --> 02:32:11,200
who mufon is having there either it's

4012
02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:13,040
like what are they what are they doing

4013
02:32:16,950 --> 02:32:14,720
so i wouldn't say steve accepts

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everything oh i can't wait to have that

4015
02:32:20,630 --> 02:32:19,040
conversation with him publicly he

4016
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doesn't come out and say this one's

4017
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credible and that one's not he's not he

4018
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doesn't want to be in that business and

4019
02:32:27,670 --> 02:32:25,600
i think for not completely uh

4020
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understandable reasons anyhow so i'm

4021
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going to i'm going to vegas i'm going to

4022
02:32:33,110 --> 02:32:30,479
be at freedom fest i'm doing these two

4023
02:32:34,790 --> 02:32:33,120
presentations i find dr john alexander

4024
02:32:37,270 --> 02:32:34,800
to be a credible guy some people think

4025
02:32:38,790 --> 02:32:37,280
he's a men in black dr greer accuses him

4026
02:32:40,469 --> 02:32:38,800
of being a mass murderer who was

4027
02:32:43,750 --> 02:32:40,479
president at the kennedy assassination

4028
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:43,760
at the age of 15 or something and

4029
02:32:50,469 --> 02:32:46,560
whoa stop all this stuff full stop full

4030
02:32:52,870 --> 02:32:50,479
stop what does grier say about

4031
02:32:54,950 --> 02:32:52,880
go google the dead man switch that came

4032
02:32:57,349 --> 02:32:54,960
out some of his inner circle published

4033
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:57,359
his dead man switch when sirius came out

4034
02:33:00,950 --> 02:32:59,040
in the dead man switch document he

4035
02:33:03,190 --> 02:33:00,960
mentions john alexander being president

4036
02:33:04,710 --> 02:33:03,200
of the kennedy assassination so there's

4037
02:33:06,070 --> 02:33:04,720
that crazy associate here i'm going to

4038
02:33:07,990 --> 02:33:06,080
be in vegas i'm going to do the thing

4039
02:33:10,469 --> 02:33:08,000
with john at freedom fest

4040
02:33:11,750 --> 02:33:10,479
and move on to their credit uh chase

4041
02:33:14,870 --> 02:33:11,760
klosky

4042
02:33:17,110 --> 02:33:14,880
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credential to go over to mufon so i'm

4044
02:33:20,950 --> 02:33:19,120
going to i'm going to drop in as i can

4045
02:33:21,750 --> 02:33:20,960
i'd like to talk to richard dolan over

4046
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:21,760
there

4047
02:33:25,030 --> 02:33:23,680
and maybe that's it

4048
02:33:26,870 --> 02:33:25,040
well you know something here that's why

4049
02:33:28,469 --> 02:33:26,880
i get a clarity here

4050
02:33:30,389 --> 02:33:28,479
ron james

4051
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the documentary producer

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sent us an ad he wanted us to run for

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the mufon symposium now i consider it a

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wacky place i consider the speakers to

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be beyond wacky i consider the subject

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matter to be interesting but not

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necessarily ufo related but to be fair

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02:33:51,190 --> 02:33:49,359
and balanced we are running that ad so

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if you've heard the ad running on this

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show

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during our commercial break

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ain't my fault just scream it run and

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let me take the devil's advocate for

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02:34:03,190 --> 02:34:00,479
mufon that's what they should do invite

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the people in with the most salient

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02:34:07,590 --> 02:34:05,520
crazy stories that are getting public

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attention and then put them through the

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refiners fire of some sort of peer

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02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:11,920
review which dolan says he's going there

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to do i heard dolan talking about some

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of the other presenters at mufon and the

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criticism mufon's getting about that but

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you want to bring these people out of

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the shadows put them in the light of day

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at an academic conference

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and then challenge them with that peer

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02:34:29,349 --> 02:34:27,439
review i'm not clear that's what mufon

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is doing they're going to present them

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one after another

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and that's it and it's going to be about

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the secret space program

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i don't see there

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any purpose in doing that except to fill

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seats and i guess they hope they'll fill

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02:34:46,630 --> 02:34:44,000
seats but i agree with you if you want

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to bring on people like that and subject

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them to serious questioning of their

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02:34:52,389 --> 02:34:50,160
beliefs

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02:34:54,469 --> 02:34:52,399
insist on some kind of evidence to prove

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02:34:56,790 --> 02:34:54,479
what they say i have no problem with

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02:34:57,990 --> 02:34:56,800
that i'd be a fan of it i think that's

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02:34:59,830 --> 02:34:58,000
what they ought to be doing and the

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02:35:01,590 --> 02:34:59,840
conference hasn't happened yet i have a

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hope that maybe that's what they'll do

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02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:04,000
but i like steve sometime i'm somewhat

4096
02:35:09,990 --> 02:35:06,720
overly optimistic well if it happens

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02:35:12,790 --> 02:35:10,000
fine now we've invited jan harzan the

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executive director of mufon the come on

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02:35:17,270 --> 02:35:14,240
the power cast

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he appeared twice on kevin randle's show

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and i asked him well if he can come on

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02:35:22,950 --> 02:35:21,120
that show would you make time for us and

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02:35:25,670 --> 02:35:22,960
he said well he had committed to that

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earlier supposedly after the symposium

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he'll come on

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02:35:31,670 --> 02:35:29,359
he'll answer questions and we'll find

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02:35:34,469 --> 02:35:31,680
out but it's not so much

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02:35:36,790 --> 02:35:34,479
having a symposium with wacky people

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about an idea that may be peripherally

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02:35:41,990 --> 02:35:39,520
related to ufos but maybe not probably

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02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:42,000
not it's not about that it's about other

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02:35:45,270 --> 02:35:44,240
issues with mufon and the organizational

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02:35:47,349 --> 02:35:45,280
structure

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02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:47,359
and whether just being able to donate

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five thousand dollars a year gives you

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special access even if you post racist

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comments on facebook it's things like

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that that concern everyone well i i

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think that will be a much higher rated

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02:36:03,670 --> 02:36:02,319
show than this one so get jan on and and

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02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:03,680
challenge him in that way that's what we

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02:36:07,190 --> 02:36:05,200
ought to be doing as a community we

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ought to challenge each other and if you

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challenge someone as i did miss harris a

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few years ago

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it's outrageous to them be accused of

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being part of the government's

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disinformation campaign you know do that

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when you're asking legitimate questions

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